Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zero Four Motorsports

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Mailer Diablo 13:35, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zero Four Motorsports

Doesn't meet inclusion standards. Has only made a handful of starts. Unlikely to run again. --D-Day I'm all ears How can I improve? 23:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom. --Bill (who is cool!) 00:10, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. Can I see the standards you are refering to? Alphachimp talk 01:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per Alphachimp. I'd like to see the standards. --Elliskev 01:34, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. The standards are here. Zero Four Motorsports is inherently non-notable. --Ezeu 01:39, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment. They still participated in a NASCAR event, which seems pretty notable to me. I thought that a specific standard in regard to professional racing was being referenced. Alphachimp talk 01:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment. Wikipedia:Notability is not an inclusion standard. It's an essay, as noted at the very top. Category:Wikipedia notability criteria has some agreed-upon standards, but I don't see anything for racing teams or any sports teams. Until I see an agreed-upon standard, I'll assume that the subject is notable, however obsure, based on the claim of notability (namely, participation in a NASCAR race). --Elliskev 02:02, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
      • Nitpick if you wish, but fact remains that Zero Four Motorsports yields a meagre three unique google hits. Your next comment will be that google hits prove nothing – but dont worry, other search engines show even less hits. --Ezeu 02:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
        • Thanks for speaking for me, but, actually, I wasn't going to say anything next. My opinion stands. --Elliskev 02:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
          • Sorry for putting words in your mouth. Was preempting a familiar counter argument. --Ezeu 02:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
            • Heh. I guess I can say it though =). Google hits prove nothing. Alphachimp talk 03:00, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. Defunct team, but they did make Nextel Cup starts. I would think they're notable based on that. --Coredesat talk. o.o;; 02:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep since they actually did compete a few times; that requires some serious cash. Just zis Guy you know? 11:51, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep They've raced in NASCAR, that's good enough for me. In the context of American motorsport, that easily makes them notable enough. Doesn't matter if they only managed a few races - MasterCard Lola, for example, didn't even qualify for a single F1 race! Seb Patrick 12:02, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment, maybe I'm missing something, but google only retrieves 70 hits for "Zero Four Motorsports", and most of them are mirrors to Wikipedia. AdamBiswanger1 13:12, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Maybe so, but a Google search for "zero four" nextel brings up a results page that shows they scored 278 points in the 2005 Nextel Cup. This is backed up on the official NASCAR website. Look for "Robert Rinaldi" (under whom the team are listed, and who himself gets 1200 GHits for "Robert Rinaldi" nascar) and you'll see. Seb Patrick 13:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per above. --PresN 18:02, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Question: Can't we speedy delete using {{db-author}}? No one else contributed to it except D-Day. Recury 18:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Answer. No, because he is not requesting the deletion. Alphachimp talk 18:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
      • Oh wait. He is requesting. yeah, he should have speedied. I'm editing the article right now so the criteria no longer applies. Alphachimp talk 18:29, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
        • OK, cheater (jk). Also, these are the standards he was probably referring to. Not accepted ones yet or anything, but there you are. I guess in the end I will vote Delete just because I wouldn't like seeing every single NASCAR team ever with an article and this is about as nn as NASCAR teams get. You (or I) could also argue that articles on teams are secondary to articles on the drivers themselves and that the criteria for teams should be a little more strict than the criteria for drivers since the drivers are the stars and everything. Recury 18:37, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep Notability stems from racing in the Nextel Cup, a professional sport competition hoopydinkConas tá tú? 19:16, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete In case of doubt there is always the test on whether any major paper actually found the subject worthy of a news article, and the answer is no. (At least according to my research. Feel free to offer contradicting evidence.) ~ trialsanderrors 23:54, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
  • keep please this racing team is notable for us to have Yuckfoo 01:29, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep - All teams that are participating or participated in professional motorsports of at least the Toyota Atlantic/Grand-Am Cup/Craftsman Truck level are notable. FCYTravis 08:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.