Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zayda Peña
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Notability of the subject appears to be primarily due to her manner of death, and even then is because it is a part of a greater story. I would support looking into the creation of an article (or the addition of content to an already-existing one) concerning the greater issue of narcotrafficos and murder, but this individual subject is not of sufficient importance. Tijuana Brass (talk) 07:29, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Zayda Peña
See Also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jose Luis Aquino
- Keep Needs rewriting but worthy of an entry. The three murders linked angle is worthy in itself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.64.166 (talk) 23:06, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- Delete No sources sited, poorly written for encyclopedic formatting, also incredibly biased. As said before, the band has no page, no name recognition. Thank you for your contribution, but Wikipedia is not a personal tribute service. JToddTheMighty
Non Notable. Band she played in doesn't have page either. Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 02:54, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - Same rationale as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jose Luis Aquino; member of a NN band, no sources and Wikipedia is not a Memorial. Spawn Man Review Me! 03:07, 8 December 2007 (UTC) (e/c)
- Biased Keep as creator of the article. But seriously, even if I didn't create the article, I would have voted Keep because while she was only on the tinge of notabily in her life, her death, as a murder, catapulted her into the Mexican spotlight. And the fact that she was second (out of three) in a week is amazing. Look her up in Google ad you get 600,000 hits. I even read an article in Yahoo News on how many times she was Googled! ''[[User:Kitia|Kitia]]'' (talk) 03:07, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Keep - The death made newspaper headlines that demonstrated how even singers who protest against the narcos get axed. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5348991.html WhisperToMe (talk) 05:22, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think anyone is contesting that yes indeed the subject was killed, but instead asking whether they were notable prior to the killing. The link you provided is void in which case, because it doesn't assert notability to the musician before he was killed. It's sad I know, but Wikipedia isn't a Memorial and unless this developes into something more, he's just a musician from a NN band who was killed. C'mon let it go; I hate trying to prove dead people are NN - makes me think they'll get revenege or something... Spawn Man Review Me! 05:28, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- There is no rule that people can't become notable post mortem. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
- Even if one can say she is not notable prior to killing, that does not mean the article should be deleted - This may become a cause celebre regarding Mexico's drug cartels. Yes, it could be renamed (to "Zayda Pena murder case") - Since I have lots of sources, I will try to ensure that this won't become a memorial. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:29, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Keep in mind WP:NOT#NEWS. This incident has only recently happened and it might not turn out to be nothing - creating an article about how everything could be connected is what reporters do - it's called OR here on wikipedia and is counter productive. Besides, releasing information like that could disrupt any police investigation (Remember that guy who was detained after a vandal said he was a terrorist?). The subject is simply not notable at the moment. He might be if the murders are connected, but only then as a victim of the "Mexican Musician Murderer", not actually as a stand alone band member. Spawn Man Review Me! 05:39, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- If information is stricly from reliable sources (such as what I posted), OR should not be an issue - If Pena turns out to be not notable on her own, the article could be renamed and the actual name of the singer could redirect. Of course, since this is a developing issue, we could wait and see if the name could stand out on its own. It may also help to get Spanish-speaking Wikipedians who may determine notability on Spanish-speaking websites, etc. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- I give up. You know my views. The community can decide via consensus. It was fun debating though - I'm enjoying AfD'ing right now. :) Cheers, Spawn Man Review Me! 05:46, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, okay :) - I'll work on the article extensively so that the article no longer reflects a Memorial - I already added the effect of the death (singers not connected to drugs are feeling afraid for their lives!) WhisperToMe (talk) 06:05, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Keep in mind WP:NOT#NEWS. This incident has only recently happened and it might not turn out to be nothing - creating an article about how everything could be connected is what reporters do - it's called OR here on wikipedia and is counter productive. Besides, releasing information like that could disrupt any police investigation (Remember that guy who was detained after a vandal said he was a terrorist?). The subject is simply not notable at the moment. He might be if the murders are connected, but only then as a victim of the "Mexican Musician Murderer", not actually as a stand alone band member. Spawn Man Review Me! 05:39, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think anyone is contesting that yes indeed the subject was killed, but instead asking whether they were notable prior to the killing. The link you provided is void in which case, because it doesn't assert notability to the musician before he was killed. It's sad I know, but Wikipedia isn't a Memorial and unless this developes into something more, he's just a musician from a NN band who was killed. C'mon let it go; I hate trying to prove dead people are NN - makes me think they'll get revenege or something... Spawn Man Review Me! 05:28, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Keep as per kitia and whisper. You've Got Mail! (talk) 17:45, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Keep: appears sufficiently notable based on the facts of her life and death. Soxthecat (talk) 19:29, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Weak keep. It certainly appears that an article on the series of musician murders that hers was one of deserves a place here. Per WP:BIO1E, if such an article existed, I would suggest a merge into it rather than a separate article for her. Even the newspaper stories cited, while in extremely respectable sources, are typically not solely about her but about the series of murders. In any case, now that good sources have been added to the article, I think its content should be kept somewhere, and in the absence of an appropriate merge target I guess that somewhere = here. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:53, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. On going major news story in Mexico of notable Mexican artists deaths.--EndlessDan 19:52, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- NOTE -- vote canvas attempt by Kitia- [[1]]. Guroadrunner (talk) 02:17, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
- Keep there seems to be sufficient sources for notability. I wasn't canvassed, not were the experienced editors saying keep immediately above me.DGG (talk) 02:36, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
