Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yves Gérard

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep, kudos for rewrite. Singularity 20:11, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Yves Gérard

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This bio is fictitious.

The article Yves Gérard is the only contribution of User:Crunchochango made by December 31th, 2007. At the same day user Crunchochango wrote at livejournal.com:

Yves Gérard goes live. I repeat, Yves Gérard is a go. Let me tell you a little story; one night a bored Karsten and Tim were wasting time listening to music when someone wondered aloud who Boccherini's contemporaries were. A short trip to wikipedia later, we had our answer. Well, would of had our answer if I hadn't insisted on doing a "dramatic reading" of the text (I screamed all the hyper-links. Yes, it is good to be my roommates!) Three quarters of the way through my reading, I noticed the name of Yves Gérard was red... yes, this poor man had no one to tell his tale. Until now. After probably at least six hours of brainstorming and research, Tim and I have completed the 100% fictitious account of the life and times of Yves Gérard. To truly enjoy our achievement to the fullest, I recommend you do the following. 1. Start here, with the original Boccherini article, moving on to old Yvesy when you come to him. 2. Keep track of how old he is throughout his adventures. 3. Check out our sources. And finally, check it out soon, because this thing could be axed at any point. I'd also ask that you leave it for now as it is, pristine and beautiful.

So, I guess, the whole article is fake (except the fact that french musicologist Yves Gérard exactly is the author of complete catalogue of works of Luigi Bocherini). Andrei Romanenko (talk) 21:06, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, hoax. Sigh. That's been there for four and a half months :~( I did find this mention of him here, but I don't have access to JSTOR, and I cannot otherwise find sources that make me think we should re-write the article at this time. Excellent catch by the nominator, and no prejudice to creating a proper article if the subject is actually notable. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 21:37, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
• G3 Obvious hoaxness. So tagged. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 22:06, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep if rewritten Rewrite to be about the real person and you'll have a decent biographical article to meet WP:BIO. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 22:50, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep De-hoax and start a real article. This is a real person with an entry in Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians. Dekkappai (talk) 22:30, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment A Google-search turns up articles at The New York Times.[1] He was named professor of musicology at the Paris Conservatoire, in 1975[2] ("generous historian of international distinction - an alumnus of the Conservatoire, a researcher at the CNRS (Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique), and a soon-to-be president of the Societe francaise de musicologie"), etc... Dekkappai (talk) 22:39, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely no doubts that he's notable. But I haven't be able to find sufficient info at open access. Would be glad if anybody have a chance to rewrite. But I could find only some bibliography [3] (it is clear that for most of these books Gérard actually was editor or compiler, not the author himself). Andrei Romanenko (talk) 23:22, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

• Okay, I know little about this area, but the consensus atm is that he's is in fact notable, so I've stricken my delete !vote. I'll ask for help in providing sources to make a stub. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 23:36, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
• Also, unless someone else beats me to it, I'll be happy to take a stab at starting the article tomorrow. I've got access to the Grove article on him, which will make a good start. Dekkappai (talk) 00:07, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

• Delete this article. The hoax should not be in its history. Then rewrite it as a real article. JuJube (talk) 02:12, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete the article about the hoax person and start over with a properly referenced article about the real one. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 02:26, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment I still oppose deleting it. This would be an extreme measure when far worse exists in the edit-histories of many articles, not to mention talk pages. With the hoax still up and present, I feel a sense of urgency to rewrite it, and I'll try to do so within the hour. If it's gone, I, for one, will probably put it off indefinitely. Dekkappai (talk) 17:35, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment OK-- I've started a real article on the guy. Dekkappai (talk) 18:50, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment And you've finished it. Keep this entirely new version (excellent work Dekka!) Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 03:12, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

  Thanks, Xymmax! Dekkappai (talk) 18:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

• Keep as rewritten of course. though I'm not quite sure why we didn't delete and then write a new articleDGG (talk) 03:27, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.