Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yusuf Estes

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The result was keep. Daniel Bryant 09:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yusuf Estes

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Fails WP:BIO. There are no secondary reliable sources to confirm notablity. Second it seems the only thing he is famous for is converting to Islam, which does NOT prove notability. Sefringle 23:26, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete: Per nom. Not notable. --Mattarata 05:12, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, per independant, non-trivial coverage available regarding this individual: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7], among others. ITAQALLAH 06:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I'd like to point out that most of the above links are articles written by students and not experts, and thus don't prove notability.--Sefringle 21:01, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Question. Why are students inherently less reliable than teachers? Student newspapers have administrative oversight, and journalism students are learning the same rigorous standards that professional journalists use. ≈≈Carolfrog≈≈♦тос♦ 03:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Primary criterion. It says: person is notable if he or she has been the subject of secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent,6 and independent of the subject. The depth of coverage of the subject by the source must be considered. If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources should be cited to establish notability. Trivial, or incidental coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not sufficient to establish notability.
A student newspaper is not not reliable because a student is not an expert. Anyone who goes to that school, whether a student or a professor can create a page on anything, and post it on the school website. Just because it is there does not make it reliable.--Sefringle 03:45, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete: Per nom. Not notable. --Java7837 14:58, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletions. ITAQALLAH 06:11, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak keep I'm not fully convinced that the sources given by Itaqallah are non-trivial (they are all about things Estes is doing or has done, not about Estes), but I'd rather err on the side of keeping. I am willing to change my opinion to full keep if more sources directly about Estes can be given. JoshuaZ 17:13, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per Sefringle. Arrow740 07:13, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep There is sufficient source material to include an attributed, encyclopedic article about Yusuf Estes, including (i) Blade, David Yonke Toledo. (July 14, 2001) Journal Gazette Proselytizing preacher finds faith in Islam: Sheik Yusuf Estes. Page 1.; (ii) Tilove, Jonathan. (October 23, 2001) The Star-Ledger To be a white U.S. Muslim: Converts embrace the oddity. Section: News; Page 10.; (iii) Pinsky, Mark I. (January 6, 2003) Orlando Sentinel Muslims' radio message: we are regular people. Section: Life & Times; Page C1.; (iv) The Hamilton Spectator (February 14, 2003) A Christian attends a mosque; A visitor finds a warm welcome and wonders if he'd be as liberal.; (v) Columbia State (SC). (April 7, 2003) Chaplain to speak at USC about Islam. Section: Metro/Region; Page B5.; (vi) U-WIRE (March 1, 2004) U. New Mexico speaker asks religions to unite.; (vii) U-WIRE (April 18, 2005) Muslim speaker educates U. Northern Colorado students about faith.; (viii) US State News. (April 12, 2006) National Muslim chaplain Yusuf Estes to speak at senior center on April 14.; (ix) The Modesto Bee (April 22, 2006) Converted preacher to speak about "pure Islam." Section: Lifestyles; Page G1.; (x) Nomani , Asra Q. (October 22, 2006) Washington Post Wife-Beating, Chapter and Verse.; (xi) Wen, Sarah. (January 23, 2007 ) University Wire UCLA Muslim student group to promote Islam, religious unity. -- Jreferee 06:57, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Comment Do you have any links to any of these sites for the purpose of Verifiability?--Sefringle 07:29, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep I can't see why some people want this article to be deleted, if he became famous after converting to Islam, why shouldn't it be enough for notability! User:Waqas.usman (Talk) 11:03, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
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