Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yury Chernavsky

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus; kept be default.--Fuhghettaboutit 01:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yury Chernavsky

Yury Chernavsky (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

This is a pure Conflict of Interest as it is autobiographical (the user has a redirect to this as his user page.) I don't think it qualifies for speedy deletion though, I may be wrong. The subject is non-notable (hope this turned out OK as it is my first TW AFD)GDonato (talk) 15:44, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete. To judge by the editing history Mr Chernavsky is the only one around who thinks he's notable. Another one for MySpace. BTLizard 16:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete or redirect - no references or citations to back any claim to notability. It should be noted that Mr. Chernavsky has redirected his user page (User:Chernavsky George Yury) and the associated talk page to this article and it's associated talk page. Thus, what we are dealing with is essentially a user page that has been placed in the main space. Leaving asside the obvious COI, if it is determined that Mr. Chernavski is indeed notable enough for an article, we need to undo this redirect, move the current page back to user space and recreate a referenced article in the main space. Blueboar 16:22, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
    • For now, I've removed the redirects from his user and user talk pages, otherwise there's no way to leave him a message. --Minderbinder 16:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
      • Note: going through the article history, I see that the user seems to have another user page at User:Yury Chernavsky...(confusing, ain't it)... I pasted a copy of the notice of the AFD there, so hopefully he will see it. Blueboar 17:38, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:BIO, and reads like a resume. Could be recreated based on independent, reliable secondary sources, but I doubt enough exist to establish notability. MastCell Talk 18:20, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Sit on fence - if this article is true, I'm sure he does warrant an article - anyone whose career includes "Lead saxophone in the State Orchestra of Azerbaijan", "Composer of the Ice Ballet for the 1980s Olympics", "CGI designer for the Backstreet Boys" and "Promoter of international martial art fighters" deserves an article for sheer oddness, as well as sailing through WP:MUSIC for the composing & songwriting - but this (a) needs a complete rewrite, (b) is probably only sourcable from printed Russian sources, and (c) seems too good to be true. BTW GDonato, there is nothing in Wikipedia policies to forbid writing articles about yourself - all WP:COI (which is a guideline & not a rule) says is "It is not recommended". - iridescenti (talk to me!) 19:00, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
  • I know. I also thought that the article lacked notability esp. since it is unsourced and most just about all autobiographies on WP are non-notable. GDonato (talk) 20:21, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - I visited the corresponding article in the Russian WP, it seems well sourced and the Russian editors do not protest against its inclusion on its discussion page. The person seems to be notable enough to have an article here. --Ioannes Pragensis 19:17, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep provisionally. WP:AUTO, WP:BIO, and WP:COI discourage autobiographical material (for obvious reasons), but do not prohibit it, so citing them as sole criteria for deletion is bogus. • The article does currently read a little too much like a resume/brochure, but that means it needs editing, not deletion. • The article does assert quite a few achievements, which would imply a certain notability. • The article does lack information on sources, which is my biggest concern. However, I think we should give contributors, including User:Chernavsky George Yury, more than just seven days to improve the article. If it was total trash, I'd be less lenient. But this article shows promise and is far from unsalvageable, and it appears the contributor is working in good faith. Gentle guidance towards improvement seems a better approach than deletion. • If, after suitable time, no one can contribute any information from a reliable source, or the user refuses to respond to our concerns, than we can re-visit this. —DragonHawk (talk|hist) 22:22, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


  • Dear Sirs, I have been working in LA for the past 13 years, and I have been completely out of participation in Russian show business. I've put this page on Eng. and Rus, by the request of the young professionals and reporters from Russia. Everything in this article is completely true, and I am in the process of providing facts. I need more then a week, for sure. However, if at this time Wiki feels that they need to remove my information, please feel free to do so following by informing me of your decision.

Best Regards, Yury Chernavsky (See some links in the Russian version) --GC 11:02, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Suggestion... Move the article back to Mr. Chernavsky's user space (he can tell us which one is his current account) until properly referenced, then return it to main space. Blueboar 15:53, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I put this to the user earlier (no response so far)- see here GDonato (talk) 15:58, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
  • For GDonato. Sir I've sent you message few hours ago. Sorry --69.234.108.108 20:39, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Let me explain the situation. Together with Yuri, I am working on his both Russian and English articles and can confirm that he is really recognizable as one of the most prominent composers and performers in the whole territory of the former USSR for his contribution made to the modern mainstream and pop music, especially during the period of the 1980s. He is included in the Soviet Rock Encyclopedia by Artemiy Troitsky, who also wrote a remarkable article about Yuri in The Moscow Times, and his brilliant 'The Banana Islands' (1983) album is listed in the '100 Top Soviet Rock Tape Albums' under position No. 26. He is a novice in Wikipedia and does not have a good experience and appropriate skills. This is why he mistakenly opened two user's pages, one of which I moved and renamed as if it's a normal article page, though I now understand that this was a violation of the Wikipedia rules. Sorry for that. Please be patient. We'll do our best to improve the article and configure it in the Wikipedian style. But this may take a little while. --Michael Romanov 02:49, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - seems notable enough to me. Carcharoth 04:05, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.