Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yuri Landman

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Eluchil404 22:15, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yuri Landman

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Complete incomplete nom. Declined {{db-spam}}. Housekeeping only. No recommendation. Evb-wiki 03:54, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Next week Pitchforkmedia publishes a big article about this topic, so this nomination is a bit too early to justice the notability. Give it one week. Also justice without me as the contributor but for it's objectivity, verify the other refs and sources.YuriLandman 07:31, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment An AFD runs five days, which should be plenty of time to produce other sources. Being in Pitchfork would be one source, but not by itself proof of notability. --Dhartung | Talk 18:49, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. No attribution of notability to credible and independent sources. --Dhartung | Talk 18:49, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep. I am concerned about the WP:COI and self-promotional aspect to this article. However, the Amsterdam Weekly article cited in the article is a solid reference, though the other two appear marginal. While I think the subject is probably just notable enough to meet the notability guidelines, I strongly urge Mr. Landman to read WP:COI.--Kubigula (talk) 19:29, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Changing to straight keep. Needs some cleanup, but there are enough sources to meet WP:N.--Kubigula (talk) 21:52, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - Article looks like self-promotion, lacks significant coverage from reliable sources to establish notability. Dlabtot 21:45, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
As the nominator for deletion you are not allowed to vote Delete, just like I'm not allowed to vote Keep. Best Wishes,YuriLandman 06:30, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
I was under the impression that this was not a vote, but a discussion. Apparently I did not follow the nominating process properly. Mea Culpa. Dlabtot 16:44, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Yuri, it is worse than you think: YOU are not even allowed to vote "Delete". And Dlabtot is right. This is mainly a discussion. --Pan Gerwazy 07:46, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Note - This nom is listed twice on this September 18 list. --Evb-wiki 22:50, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Fixed. Thanks! --Dhartung | Talk 06:52, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete original research. No evidence of any notability. SefringleTalk 00:34, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I've rephrased the sources to make the verification for reliability more clear. Although I understand COI can be annoying sometimes, I've put in 6 sources until now which are reliable and neutral.

  1. Oddmusic.com is hit 2 when you typ experimental muscial instrument on Google and together with EMI (hit1, which has also a link in it's link-list to my myspace-gallery) the most accurate informational gallery about Experimental instrumentalism.
  2. Lambiek is the biggest online library of comic artists
  3. Zozolala is an official comic information magazine with 6500 copies, financed by a collective of 50 comic book stores for selling improvement.
  4. The Dutch Rock & Pop Institute is 100% reliable as a source.
  5. Amsterdam Weekly has 25.000 copies [1]
  6. Modernguitars.com is hit 7 when you typ electric guitar magazine on Google

6 sources cannot be called original research or not notable.

I no longer add to Yuri Landman, only when I've sourced news. COI, yes, but NPOV. COI is not forbidden, it's strongly discouraged, but when sticking to sourced facts the contributions may not be ignored. I've never reverted edits which cut back when I got too enthousiastic, so feel free to cut back the subjectivity in the article.YuriLandman 07:24, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep - I had a look at the Dutch and French versions of this article, and apart from the Allo Allo French grammar, they seem kosher. I have actually heard about this guy, and I live in Belgium and do not know that particular scene. Constructing a guitar for another group pulls him over the edge for me. There is indeed COI danger here, but as long as the author remains as diligent as now, and is not found to be using meat or sockpuppetes here, on nl: or fr:, COI is not a problem and there can be no self-promotion. --Pan Gerwazy 07:46, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - The moonlander instruments alone are notable. William (Bill) Bean 22:24, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Even though I removed him from the short list of famous dutch comics artists recently[2] (sorry Mr. Landman), I do feel that he is notable enough to have an article here. Basically, every comics artist with a page on Comiclopedia is notable[3], and his other activities only increase his notability. Fram 08:53, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Though the COI concerns are legitimate and the article a bit of a mess, the subject is covered by RS and sufficiently notable for WP inclusion. Murghdisc. 10:10, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - sources satisfy WP:N but WP:COI are an issue and Mr Landman should leave the entry well alone while other users clean it up. Use the talk page if there is anything you want to suggest adding to the entry. (Emperor 12:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC))

[edit] General Announcement of Y.L.

Please read my General Announcement at moonlander in the nomination below. Deleting Y. Landman is a possibility, but I think not a very good one. For combining info about moonlander, moodswinger and future projects this page is useful as a interlinking. If you dislike certain parts of the topic, please remove it. The 6 mentioned sources above are as far as I know pretty solid for prooving I excist and prooving what I've done. I would like to hear what's missing and I'm sure we can change this in a proper format. Next year Blonde Redhead, Half Japanese, Thurston Moore and Lightning Bolt will most probably receive guitars. Let's prevent this happening again and again. Also I want to give you this piece of reading about [COI}: [4]. Kyle left wikipedia, which is not very good for the content of Wiki. Best wishes, YuriLandman 21:17, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Nice to know that in your opinion, you and your work should be included in Wikipedia. Duly noted. Dlabtot 21:58, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.