Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Youth Futures Valley Fair Mall

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete the current article; I'm moving content to Valley Fair Shopping Center, and doing some editing so that the article is about the early mall, not the short-lived one. - Liberatore(T) 13:11, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Youth Futures Valley Fair Mall

A dead shopping mall is, in itself questionably notable (with most of the AfDs getting no consensus). The Valley Fair Shopping Centre is indeed possibly notable by the standards being established thus far. It was founded in 1954 and was one of the US's first covered malls, and as disused heaps of bricks go, is faintly encyclopaedic. However, the Youth Futures Valley Fair Mall was created in 2002 using the skeleton of the Valey Fair Shopping Centre as a 'community of commercial and nonprofit endeavors geared to the needs and interests of youth in the Fox River Valley'.

In March 2006, after a whole 3 1/2 years in operation, this community of commercial and nonprofit endeavors geared to the needs and interests of youth in the Fox River Valley was sold to developers. It's now closed, and scheduled to be demolished. I'm not convinced that a community project that ran for three years is enough to justify an article. Note that the only source for this article is a dead URL, but a trip to the Internet Archive hunting for www.mallonamission.org provides the info. The blogsite deadmalls.com hasn't even been used to "reference" this mall. Proto||type 10:33, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. It would take a lot less for me to vote delete here. If it's not the Mall of America or something similar in magnitude, I don't want to see it on WP. - the.crazy.russian (T) (C) (E) 12:00, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
• Move To Valley Fair Shopping Centre, which is a notable early mall as a socio-economic center for regional commerce and one of the earliest examples of an enclosed shopping mall. That article should focus on the enclosed structure of yesteryear, not the failed social experiment of today. youngamerican (talk) 15:43, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

  Comment - Maybe, but if an article is to be created at Valley Fair Shopping Center (not Centre, as it is - was - a US place darn my Anglocentric spelling), I think it might be better served just being stubbed from info elsewhere, rather than moving this across, as it would take some heavy duty editing - more so than just creating from scratch. Doesn't mean I'm right, of course. Proto||type 09:14, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Just not notable enough. Nigelthefish 15:55, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. Given the fabulous history as the site of one of the first malls in the US this is an obvious keeper. Of course, as one would expect, there are many sources available for expanding the article. [1]. -- JJay 16:21, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Moe ε 02:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Assuming the mall has been closed, move to Valley Fair Shopping Center, since that is the historic and well-known name. --BaronLarf 21:40, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.