Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yoshio Kojima

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Melsaran (talk) 08:40, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yoshio Kojima

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Japanese comedian, article has been previously speedied. Current CSD refused on the grounds that the author asserts fame. ghits=268 using ("Yoshio Kojima" comedian -blog -youtube) as search terms. Article contains link to LA Times article that isn't viewable as it's a subscription page, so basically no other assertions to notability other than a YouTube video of him being interview wearing swimming trunks. -- WebHamster 00:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

• Keep from googling Yoshio Kojima you can find that his name in kanji is "小島よしお", he has a ja:wikipedia entry (which has now been linked), and it appears that he has appeared in a lot of TV appearances to his name, as well as a fair amount of controversy. If you are using ghits as a measure of notability "小島よしお" even with quotation marks returns 2,000,000 ghits.KTo288 13:15, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

As I don't read Kanji and this is the English WP I searched in English as per the search terms in the nomination. Additionally be wary of the fact that the name "Yoshio Kojima" is shared by other people including a CEO of a calculating machine manufacturer. ---- WebHamster 13:47, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Comment thank you, point taken and accepted. I'm going to make a request for wiki project Japan for help. KTo288 13:55, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Note a request for information on this article has been placed on WikiProject Japan here. KTo288 14:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

The likelihood of the calculator CEO's name being listed with hiragana for his first name like that are slim to none (his Japanese name is 小島義雄). The hiragana is often used by entertainers in Japan to set their names apart, for stylistic issues, etc. Also, per WP:CSB, AFD is not the solution for articles on foreign language topics with few English sources. Neier 22:47, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

The onus is on the article creator to demonstrate notability via the usual methods and not to rely on other editors having to learn a foreign language. This is especially important when an article is sourced from a foreign language version WP. Based on the article itself and English language searches this AFD was appropriate. This is an English language WP and there are relatively few Kanji readers, the responsibility is on the article creator (and interested editors) to make sure that English language readers/editors are aware of the possibility of few English language sources and to provide appropriate sources and possibly translations. As it stands the article still doesn't meet the requirements of WP:BIO regardless of cultural and linguistic differences. ---- WebHamster 00:17, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, yeah, we get it. The onus is on the article creator, blah blah blah. Nobody's blaming you for not knowing Japanese. I think we've shown, though, that the Yoshio Kojima in question is notable enough for this article not to be deleted. -Amake 05:03, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Yet strangely enough nothing has magically appeared in the article itself. So it still doesn't demonstrate notability. Now if one of the "keep" supporters would take the time to edit the article for their inclusion it would make more sense than the attempted sarcasm by some in this discussion. Wouldn't you agree? ---- WebHamster 10:14, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Nothing needs to change in the article purely with regards to AfD. We've demonstrated its notability, therefore the decision on AfD is clearly Keep. If you feel the article lacks sources, feel free to tag it with {{unreferenced}}. -Amake 14:55, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

• Keep — He is quite big in Japan at the moment, and ranked in the top monthly(?) views on YouTube (maybe just for whatever category he was in; I don't know). I'd say he's just as notable as any of the other flavor-of-the-month Japanese comedians that have articles here. -Amake 14:35, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per Amake. Neier 22:47, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep with his current stage name 小島よしお, Ghits is 2,160,000. I am personally not his big fan, but a nationwide notability deserves an article or not? --Aphaia 00:29, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete non notable original research. Sefringle^Talk 00:38, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
  • "Original research" has a very specific meaning which is rather different from "unsourced material". Saying "Yoshio Kojima is a comedian whose gets lots of views on YouTube" is not advancing a theory or promoting a neologism. It's a statement which can be verified or falsified by searching YouTube. Said statement might not belong in an encyclopedia, but it's not original research. Original research about a person would look something like "Kojima's rise in the world of YouTube, along with the success of the Borat movie, shows that Americans are rejecting traditional values and images of masculinity in favour of men in speedos." cab 00:57, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, WP:OR has a specific meaning, according to the policy page, "Original research (OR) is a term used in Wikipedia to refer to unpublished facts, arguments, concepts, statements, or theories." Something this article is full of. Everything in the article is unpublished facts, arguements , concepts , statements, or theories. Notice there is not one source within that article; thus it is original research. There isn't much content either, so I doubt the subject is all that notable, except for his few fans on youtube. Nothing that proves notability according to wikipedia's "standards." Sefringle^Talk 02:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Lack of included sources != original research. It simply means that no sources were included. Just because the original author(s) of the article didn't follow policy by including sources for the information in the article doesn't mean that the information included in the article is "unpublished facts, arguments , concepts , statements, or theories". It simply means that the original author(s) didn't include sources for their additions. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 03:00, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

• Keep as I see sufficient news coverage (e.g. here's a list of articles on him from Yahoo! Japan [1]) to source and expand this article. However, I agree strongly with the nom that the article creator or person removing the speedy tag should have done this in the first place. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a webhost for everyone random user to create pop culture pages about stuff they laughed at on YouTube and make responsible editors do the grunt work of figuring out whether it's notable or not, digging for sources, etc.. cab 00:57, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Keep per KTo288. He's appeared in several articles lately, including:
  • Gamespot Japan (discussion of his appearance in a commercial for a new Nintendo DS game "Dragon Tamers Sound Spirits")
  • Daily Sports Online (an appearance on several shows with Porno Graffitti)
  • RBB Navi (article about a cell phone game based on him)
  • RBB Navi (article about an appearance on a late night variety show)
  • Ameba News (article about a serial radio show he was doing with another entertainer)
  • J-Cast News (article about another appearance on a major late night variety show)
  • ZakZak (article about him running around naked backstage during a performance)
• That's just a couple minutes of looking. There is likely quite a bit more out there. I also agree with cab's comments. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 01:14, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep I created the article after looking for more information about him. I've seen him mentioned in several english blogs and, since I don't read japanese, couldn't find a single encyclopedia-like article on him. I tried to properly assert his notability, which I believe I have done successfully. The references may be lacking but I don't think his notability is in question any longer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skilless (talk • contribs) 15:11, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. —Fg2 10:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. I hope the various references given above can be incorporated into the article, but notability has been demonstrated. Bondegezou 16:18, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

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