Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yoni puja

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:33, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yoni puja

del. A supposedly ancient indial tradition of worsipping the vagina, but only a thousand+ references from western soures, no India. The article does not cite any reputable source. Looks like an attempt to legitimize pornography. `'mikka (t) 19:55, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Comment I'm still researching this one, so no opinion yet. But that last sentence bothers me some; on Wikipedia we shouldn't delete articles just because they don't fit with our POV. William Pietri 20:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletions. -- Mereda 11:59, 11 September 2006 (UTC) --Mereda 11:59, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Parts of the article are copyvio from this page. Other parts of the article could be copyvio from the same site. Also, could someone check the very first version of the article, as that is what gives good results for copyvio checks generally. --Gurubrahma 13:42, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment One of my most trusted correspondents in the yoga world writes, "I've never heard of this form of puja. I've been to pujas focused on the shiva lingam, shiva's cock, but the lingam used is a rock. The language being used to describe it sounds genuine to me. It would be a tantric practice, obviously." Which leaves me firmly sitting on the fence. I'm torn between WP:CSB and meta:Eventualism on one hand and WP:V on the other. The copyvio's certainly an issue. The tone is also an issue, but that's also true for related articles like Shiva Puja, and I don't think bad writing is a deletable offense. Hmph. I'd love a reliable source for this article. William Pietri 17:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment If you know tamil, the article is soft porn. I leave the community to decide as to what to do with soft porn (I hope that this is a good piece for WikiSTORIES !!!) Doctor BrunoTalk 17:58, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
  • After much chewing, Keep and clean up. From the references in the article and my sources, it sounds like there is a real thing here, whether it's a western Neotantric invention or an obscure but historical Tantric practice. Pruning the article, possibly back to being a stub, removes most of the concerns expressed above, and will leave a place for more encyclopedic material to collect. Maybe I'm being too much of an eventualist here, but I don't see a need to delete this yet. William Pietri 20:25, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Please watch what you are chewing. Texts from funny webpages written by unknown authors, like provided in the article duscussed, are not valid references. There is huge amount of crap floating in the "internets". `'mikka (t) 02:54, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Agreed, but I still see this as cause for pruning back to a stub rather than outright deletion. Which I'll gladly do if this isn't deleted. William Pietri 03:10, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
        • Though the concept may exist, the current script is not suited for encyclopedia. There is an urgent need to change it Doctor BrunoTalk 03:01, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
          • I don't know if you noticed, but Mikkalai reduced it drastically yesterday. If you wanted to trim it more, I think that would be fine. William Pietri 15:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - I'm Tamil myself and Yoni puja is unverified (nonsesne) and the fact that no Indian sources cite it is suspicious.Bakaman Bakatalk 00:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete . no reputable references. Various websites are full of various wild sexual fantasy related to vagina. Mukadderat 04:33, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Unreliable references. Also copyvio from the references. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 12:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete: I have read 100s of books and thousands of articles on Hinduism of all genre, and never came across such a crude representation of fertility cult. It could have been a speedy delete. Having said this, I wish all the best to the original creator. I would like to see him blossom into a big contributor. This is the year of expanding current pages (Wales to upgrade quality of Wiki), and I think that all shall strive towards this goal instead of creating pages of suspect value. All the best! --Bhadani 19:58, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:33, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yoni puja

del. A supposedly ancient indial tradition of worsipping the vagina, but only a thousand+ references from western soures, no India. The article does not cite any reputable source. Looks like an attempt to legitimize pornography. `'mikka (t) 19:55, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Comment I'm still researching this one, so no opinion yet. But that last sentence bothers me some; on Wikipedia we shouldn't delete articles just because they don't fit with our POV. William Pietri 20:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletions. -- Mereda 11:59, 11 September 2006 (UTC) --Mereda 11:59, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Parts of the article are copyvio from this page. Other parts of the article could be copyvio from the same site. Also, could someone check the very first version of the article, as that is what gives good results for copyvio checks generally. --Gurubrahma 13:42, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment One of my most trusted correspondents in the yoga world writes, "I've never heard of this form of puja. I've been to pujas focused on the shiva lingam, shiva's cock, but the lingam used is a rock. The language being used to describe it sounds genuine to me. It would be a tantric practice, obviously." Which leaves me firmly sitting on the fence. I'm torn between WP:CSB and meta:Eventualism on one hand and WP:V on the other. The copyvio's certainly an issue. The tone is also an issue, but that's also true for related articles like Shiva Puja, and I don't think bad writing is a deletable offense. Hmph. I'd love a reliable source for this article. William Pietri 17:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment If you know tamil, the article is soft porn. I leave the community to decide as to what to do with soft porn (I hope that this is a good piece for WikiSTORIES !!!) Doctor BrunoTalk 17:58, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
  • After much chewing, Keep and clean up. From the references in the article and my sources, it sounds like there is a real thing here, whether it's a western Neotantric invention or an obscure but historical Tantric practice. Pruning the article, possibly back to being a stub, removes most of the concerns expressed above, and will leave a place for more encyclopedic material to collect. Maybe I'm being too much of an eventualist here, but I don't see a need to delete this yet. William Pietri 20:25, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Please watch what you are chewing. Texts from funny webpages written by unknown authors, like provided in the article duscussed, are not valid references. There is huge amount of crap floating in the "internets". `'mikka (t) 02:54, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Agreed, but I still see this as cause for pruning back to a stub rather than outright deletion. Which I'll gladly do if this isn't deleted. William Pietri 03:10, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
        • Though the concept may exist, the current script is not suited for encyclopedia. There is an urgent need to change it Doctor BrunoTalk 03:01, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
          • I don't know if you noticed, but Mikkalai reduced it drastically yesterday. If you wanted to trim it more, I think that would be fine. William Pietri 15:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - I'm Tamil myself and Yoni puja is unverified (nonsesne) and the fact that no Indian sources cite it is suspicious.Bakaman Bakatalk 00:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete . no reputable references. Various websites are full of various wild sexual fantasy related to vagina. Mukadderat 04:33, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Unreliable references. Also copyvio from the references. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 12:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete: I have read 100s of books and thousands of articles on Hinduism of all genre, and never came across such a crude representation of fertility cult. It could have been a speedy delete. Having said this, I wish all the best to the original creator. I would like to see him blossom into a big contributor. This is the year of expanding current pages (Wales to upgrade quality of Wiki), and I think that all shall strive towards this goal instead of creating pages of suspect value. All the best! --Bhadani 19:58, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.