Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yankees Suck

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus (but a possible merge/redirect, as much as I a Sox fan loathe to admit). -Mysekurity(have you seen this?) 05:51, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yankees Suck

Non notable neologism with no meaning outside of a small number of sports fans - delete . JtkieferT | C | @ ---- 00:27, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom. But then again I'm a Yankee's fan. --Pboyd04 00:29, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep as a highly notable, oft-written-about sports chant that ended up being a regional phenomenon, spawning shirts, rival chants, etc. I could have sworn this went up for AfD before. Also, with the Red Sox being the biggest MLB road draw as well as one of the more popular baseball franchises, I'd imagine Red Sox Nation would resent being considered a "small number of sports fans." --badlydrawnjeff 00:40, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • (see below) Delete as attack page and non-notable neologism per nominator. We need a new speedy-delete category for these bad neologisms. Every rival sports team has pejorative chants against each other. P.S.: I don't follow baseball so I don't favor Yankees or anybody else. --Quarl 00:42, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep. This phrase gets 205,000 hits on Google [1], is the title of a book "Yankees Suck! The Unofficial Guide for Fans Who Hate, Despise, Loath, and Detest Those Bums From the Bronx", has its own clothing line [2], and articles in USA Today [3] and MSNBC [4]. Although unfortunate, it's one of the most common chants at a Boston Red Sox game, even when the Yankees aren't the opponent. Carbonite | Talk 00:53, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Notable enough to warrant an aricle. No Guru 00:56, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Chant has been in wide use for at least five years and has received substantial press coverage. I've even heard it at games on the west coast where neither the Yankees nor the Sox are present. ×Meegs 01:07, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: I've removed the blatant anti-Yankee POV from the article. There's no reason to have a defense of the chant in the article. Carbonite | Talk 01:17, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as unencyclopedic. -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 01:27, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not neutral and it's fancruft. I would say keep if it was made more neutral and lengthened. — MATHWIZ2020 TALK | CONTRIBS 01:41, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
    • In what ways is the article not neutral? Obviously the phrase itself is extremely biased, but I believe the article is rather balanced. I do agree that it can be lengthened, but it already covers the essentials. Carbonite | Talk 03:37, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Per badly drawn jeff. Jobe6 Image:Peru flag large.png 02:03, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep notable regional (in this case, most of New England) slogan. Haikupoet 04:19, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. -- NeoJustin 04:36, December 28, 2005 (UTC)
  • Rename Football chant to Sports chant per Talk:Football_chant, as it already discusses sports other than American football; merge Cheering; then merge Yankees Suck into Sports chant per PJM. I quote PJM from AFD/Boston Sucks:
    • Because there are so many chants in Major League Baseball, one article should be made to feature such entries, like Football chants. Otherwise an article of this nature seems excessive and non-encyclopedic, IMHO PJM 13:47, 25 October 2005 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Quarl (talk • contribs) 04:56, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete (or at best merge into Sports Chant). Are we going to have an entry like this for every chant or T-shirt slogan for every sports team around? Shall we have Sox Suck? Or maybe it would have to be both Sox Suck (White Sox) and Sox Suck (Red Sox) ? Get a grip folks, it doesn't deserve its own entry. Madman 06:03, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Weak Delete, Every popular sports chant should not be included, and there is no precedence for this kind of thing. Every chant has background and is marketed. Croat Canuck 06:12, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Although it is undisputably true that the Yankees DO suck, (and how!)... Merge per User:PJM and user:Quarl... their rollup plan seems to make sense. ++Lar 07:06, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep weakly...not sure what the purpose of this is...maybe better off in the new upcoming ma.wiki.....that's Massachusetts Wikipedia.--MONGO 09:25, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete of course. Do we need an encyclopaedia to tell us that sports fans shout insults at their opponents? It's ridiculous. However notable the teams might be, it's still ridiculous. Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 11:29, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
    • It's not the notibility of the teams that matters here (though they do each have million of fans), it's the notibility of the chant itself. In this case, it's (unfortunately) the most known chant in sports. It's cetainly more notable than the vast majority of schools that are kept on a regular basis. Carbonite | Talk 11:36, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • That is the "soem cruft justifies all cruft" argument. The genuinely encyclopaedic content of this article could be covered in a single sentence in the article on the team. - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 17:50, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Agreed. It would more than serve its purpose in Red Sox Nation. PJM 18:59, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Strongest Possible Keep Anyone who voted Delete on this knows nothing about the sports landscape of New England, hatred of the Yankees is part of our cultural heritage. One time I was at Fenway Park and fans chanted "Yankees Suck", even though the Yankees were two thousand miles away, at a game that hadn't started yet. That's not the best one though, i've heard "Yankees Suck" chants at hockey games, during commercials involving Derek Jeter, little league games, and one time even in a church (although they were really drunk that time.)"Yankees Suck" is more than just a chant, it's a motto for a Nation... karmafist 11:37, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Your crass generalizations are odious, and ergo I vote Delete as per nominator. --Agamemnon2 08:19, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
And don't forget the "Yankee Suck" chant at the Patriots Super Bowl rally. Yeesh. --badlydrawnjeff 13:13, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Exactly, it's a motto for Red Sox Nation and that's where it should be merged. I'm frequently in the New England area and outside the realm of Red Sox fandom, it's not a major cultural staple. PJM 18:43, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete: NPOV, fancruft Sceptre (Talk) 13:05, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
    • You do realize that NPOV is a good quality for an article? If you mean that the article is biased, could you provide some specifics? Of course the phrase itself is biased, but that's irrelevant to whether the article is biased. As for fancruft, this is the most famous chant in American sports (probably in the history of American sports). Carbonite | Talk 13:10, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Weak delete ComputerJoe 13:16, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep as per the other keep votes. P.S., they really do suck.  :) --King of All the Franks 13:37, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep per King of All Franks. :) Youngamerican 16:11, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep That neologism is probaly known to millions of sports fans out there. It has cultural significance to sports. --Jaranda wat's sup 18:28, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect to Red Sox Nation. PJM 18:45, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
    • The GFDL requires attribution of edits, thus that choice isn't possible. However, Merge and redirect would be a valid option. Carbonite | Talk 18:51, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Noted, thanks. PJM 19:01, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge I suggest creating a baseball chant article......or perhaps a List of baseball chants, where the major chants could be placed in a central location and perhaps be given a small paragraph each (so the amount of detail in this article could be retained). SoLando (Talk) 19:04, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
It didn't get much feedback when I first suggested it, but it's certainly not a bad idea. PJM 19:15, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
I liked it, still do. A merge to either of the places suggested, then some crosslinking, and a redirect, seems perfectly fine to me. ++Lar 20:02, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Yes, overall I think a merge is the best route. PJM 20:53, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep per Merovingian. It's definitely in use outside Red Sox Nation, and it's one of the most (if not the most) prominently-used baseball chants. To suggest that it's only in use by Boston Red Sox fans is highly inaccurate. --Idont Havaname 23:27, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. I'm a Red Sox fan -- I've worn my Red Sox cap to Yankee Stadium and had beer thrown on me as a result. Nevertheless, I see no reason this can't be covered adequately by a passing mention in Red Sox Nation. A redirect to there would be OK. The idea for a comprehensive article on sports chants is a good one, too, and that might make a better redirect if it's created. JamesMLane 00:37, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as per JamesMLane. Monicasdude 02:42, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Red Sox Nation -Andrew 19:51, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge and Redirect to Red Sox Nation. This chant doesn't deserve it's own article, it's not that important. But then again, I guess a simple southerner like me should just let the Yankees (northerners that is) fight it out on this one ;). -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 19:41, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge and Redirect are what I see as a better solution. Never delete, cause its a factual part of baseball. And I hate the Yankees. - [tangulo88]
  • Merge and redirect To keep this as a standalone article is the height of silliness. Denni ☯ 01:04, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, then create a redirect to Red Sox Nation. —Cleared as filed. 05:27, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete - it seems that most folks who want to Keep this "article" are Red Sox fans who want to use Wikipedia to vent their spleen. C'mon, guys, try to hold back. BostonBay 01:37, 1 January 2006 (UTC) (P.S. as you may guess, I'm a Red Sox fan too, but there's a place for fandom and it's not here).
  • Keep - long-term cultural phenomenon. --zenohockey 19:38, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep - I'm a rabid Red Sox fan and Yankee hater, and there are millions like me. 129.98.197.253 02:56, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep - This chant is part of the fabric of New England sports. Fans were chanting this after the Patriots won the Super Bowl for godsakes!
Phantasmo 03:17, 4 January 2006 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.