Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wydown Middle School

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Personally, I am more swayed by the delete opinions than the keeps; there are many award categories out there for schools to win, and the little notability it has would be better served in the school district article. However, by a simple count, the delete and keep counts are almost the same, and there are some valid points on the keep side. Having watched the "school debate", I feel that schools may be at the front line of incrementalist reform on Wikipedia... If said articles can be well-maintained and verifiable, I say, go for it. (That is a very big if, though.) This should be revisited in the future as the status of the school changes (which it probably will.) Grandmasterka 03:28, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wydown Middle School

nn middle school; no claim of notability; article reads as an advertisement Carlossuarez46 03:01, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as nominator. Carlossuarez46 03:03, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep All schools carry inherent notability -- Librarianofages 03:06, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep. First of all, there is absolutely no policy that says that schools are inherently notable. Saying it repeatedly does not make it any more true than me saying I'm a millionaire until the bank decides to credit my account accordingly. Until there is any such policy on the issue, each school article ought to be judged on its own merits. I for one have chosen to consider the WP:BEEFSTEW test (which is also not binding). On application of that test, it's borderline, but I'll give this article the benefit of the doubt. Agent 86 03:24, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Deleteper nom. Baseball,Baby! ^{balls•strikes} 03:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I'm a firm supporter of High School notability, but I have to draw the line at middle school. Let's Merge it into an article on the school district, if there is one. AdamBiswanger1 03:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I don't think we really need an article about a middle school that not that notable. Never heard of it before the AfD Aeon ^{Insane Ward} 04:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Just another school. -- GWO
• Delete, WP:SCHOOL is a failed guideline and the creation of a wikiproject does not automatically confer notability on its subjects. Also, middle schools don't cut it unless they have some remarkable achievement. Merging into a school district article would be acceptable, as well. --Coredesat talk. o.o;; 08:15, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all schools, high, middle, or low. (Liberatore, 2006). 11:40, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, no sources cited other than the school's own website, suggesting that this school isn't very important. Mentions in books, in a biography of a famous person indicating that the school's philosophy played an important role in his development, mention in other than regional press for other than athletics, would be examples of things that would convince me otherwise. Dpbsmith (talk) 12:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete or Merge with a school district article. I agree with AdamBiswanger1: High Schools might be notable, but middle schools are inherently a great deal less notable. Scorpiondollprincess 13:28, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep per Agent 86 Computerjoe's talk 15:13, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to School District of Clayton. I already merged a brief summary onto that page. — RJH (talk) 15:19, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Easy Delete, article provides no discernable notability amongst middle schools in the United States. — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 16:05, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, just another unremarkable school doing a wonderful job at educating kids in exactly the same way as every other school in the world. We don't have articles on every human or every house, important as those are to their families or occupants; it's unclear why schools should get special treatment. — Haeleth Talk 16:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Just another school, no doubt doing an excellent job, but with no claims to encyclopaedic notability. -- Alias Flood 17:54, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per many of the reasons listed above, mainly that most public schools are simply not notable in and of themselves. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 17:57, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• merge to the school district article per above. ~ ctales *blah* 18:25, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep. No valid reason for deletion supplied by nominator. Silensor 20:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: This school is repeatedly mentioned in the book Class Warfare: Besieged Schools, Bewildered Parents, Betrayed Kids and the Attack on Excellence (ISBN 1594030448) by J. Martin Rochester. Silensor 20:25, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep This is more notable than most of the schools which make it to AfD, and this article supplies a decent framework of information. GassyGuy 20:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge into Clayton School District. Err... since that article doesn't exist, I guess that's more of a "move." --BaronLarf 21:11, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per both Agent86 and GassyGuy, several minor claims to notability are made. RFerreira 23:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as the information is now adequately housed at School District of Clayton. GassyGuy 00:49, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. While most middle and high schools are non-notable in my mind, this school is notable since it has won several awards for its academics. --Royalbroil 03:19, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep agree with royalbroil, the awards make it very worth keeping.  ALKIVAR™ 12:05, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep on the awards basis, if that's not consensus then please redirect it to School District of Clayton so readers can find the entry there. BryanG^(talk) 23:00, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep A decent little article. Golfcam 02:54, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 06:25, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Haeleth has it on the nose. I wouldn't mind if this were merged into Clayton School District, I guess, but I'd rather see the whole mess smerged into Clayton, Missouri. Nobody who doesn't live in the area this school serves will ever know or ever care about this school specifically, and a number of people who have lived in areas it serves (Hello!) won't care either. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete and redirect to School District of Clayton. I don't see what's important or exceptionally special about this school to warrent the need to have an article about this middle school. The 'awards' it has are mearly extremely common ones that most schools have, and the statistics are abit skewed by forcing 500+ students for their 'top 10'. The wiki is not a ballast of every last tidbit about every school in the country. Did anything major happen here? Who wants to read about any random middle school? Does it have a special history? No. Man in black also has a good point about how noone will notice this outside of the community it serves. It probably serves nothing more than to booster ego of parents of kids at said school. Delete. Kevin_b_er 06:37, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
• keep please this school has demonstrated notability Yuckfoo 06:47, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. This school is obviously notable. --Myles Long 13:56, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: Notability established by way of awards. As an aside, I wish my school were a blue ribbon school. --Signed and Sealed, JJJJust (T C) 17:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete or redirect to district; do not keep separately. Middle schools do not have default notability, and this one does not have anything particular about it. We would be better served by a policy/guidelines that was accepted, than trying to do these individually, however. -- nae'blis _(talk) 22:16, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per the article which makes multiple and verifiable claims of notability. Yamaguchi先生 22:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep clearly noteworthy.--Nicodemus75 02:07, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep in light of added notable Igorot history. zafiroblue05 | Talk 02:43, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Good article. --JJay 16:43, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - Quite a bit of St. Louis's outlying area is built on sites used in the 1904 World's Fair, seeing as the fair and outlying associated exhibitions were arranged around a city that has grown in the last 100 years. At what point do we stop according notability-by-association for reusing ground used in the 1904 World's Fair? Should I write articles for gas stations built on that land? Personal homes? Vacant lots? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 17:04, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Not exactly. The World's Fair was located in just Forest Park, which is now a large urban park - larger than Central Park, for example, but much smaller than many others. So not "quite a bit of St. Louis's outlying area" is built on World's Fair sites. In addition, the exhibit shown on the land that was later used for this school was the most popular, controversial, and notable exhibit in the World's Fair: a fair within a Fair, as this article notes. So it's not just any gas station... zafiroblue05 | Talk 21:31, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - just like with high schools, lack of notability should have nothing to do with it. With high schools lack of notability is not and never has been a reason for deleting. If you start with middle schools, the Wikipedian's who want all high schools deleted will start winning. Capit 17:48, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.