Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wrath of the Lich King

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy keep, discussion irrelevant now that game has been announced. Thue | talk 20:18, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wrath of the Lich King

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Complete Speculation, not a single reference Q ^{T C} 13:10, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. -- Jelly Soup 13:17, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
• Delete unless cited by a reliable source. If the authors are confused, "A gaming site said they were told by someone anonymous" is not a reliable source. -Markeer 13:58, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep added link to recently filed USPTO trademark applications for use of the name in conjunction with a Blizzard Video Game and other property. Also will locate link to USK showing application for game rating, assuming it has not been removed for confidentiality reasons pending the announcement tomorrow. --Shinji008 17:32, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

• Comment As far as I know, a trademark application can't be used as proof of anything, particularly of a future brand. Large companies regularly apply for dozens of trademarks simply to guarantee they will be available if they decide to use them. However, that's neither here nor there, the problem with this sort of article is why wikipedia is not a crystal ball. It's entirely possible that Blizzard Entertainment intends to release this expansion with this name, but between now and then a great many things can happen that will change. Vivendi (Blizzard's parent company) can sell Blizzard to someone else that will want to change directions. Blizzard itself will undoubtedly do market research for the next 6 months and may decide a simpler name will sell better (e.g. "World of Warcraft: Northend" or what have you). Nothing is set in stone. and from the weak citations in this article it appears that nothing official has been reported by either Blizzard or a reputable secondary source. -Markeer 14:18, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

• May I point outt hat it would appear that effort is being made, by the removal of tags, to conceal this AfD on the article's page, thereby heavily weighting "voting" towards the deletionist cause. -- SockpuppetSamuelson
  • Said tags have been readded. It seems to have been a mistake. -- Jelly Soup 09:43, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
    • The tags are likely being removed because the expansion was officially announced today. The German information was correct.
• Keep release was just announced today at blizzcon
• Keep Release was just announced at Blizzcon, so reputable sources should be available within a day. Jpers36 17:10, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
• Comment Well, I'll wait on sources, but can I ask how this addresses the underlying problem of crystal balling? As I mentioned above, an announcement is not a release. Beyond that, my next concern would be why a separate article is needed for this announcement? Couldn't a line simply be added to the main World of Warcraft article? After all, until at least open beta (i.e. when any NDA's end), no real information would be possible beyond announced statements-of-intent. Just trying to prevent yet one more article fueled more by enthusiasm than encyclopedic value. -Markeer 17:18, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Comment I think it mostly depends on how much is divulged by Blizzard. If the company states, "The upcoming expansion will be Wrath of the Lich King, but we don't have a release date or any further details yet," insertion into World of Warcraft is probably the way to go. On the other hand, if Blizzard provides significant details, such as release date, level cap, races, jobs, storylines, or dungeons, I think that would justify a separate article. Jpers36 17:47, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

• Speedy Keep Full info :- [1] and here [2]. --SkyWalker 18:52, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep [3] Tyro 18:54, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep Completely confirmed, the Blizzard website should be updated to confirm this very soon. The article also deserves to exist because many things are known about the game that would not do well in the main page. Things such as the new hero class were announced that would be better suited in an article that is separate from the main one. Thylacine222 18:56, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep announced today i'm sure full infomation will be out and citeable later today and over the weekend. They have already confirmed the level cap increase, new craft trade, and a new class. harlock_jds 19:03, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep If you're going to have a page for the Burning Crusade, there's no reason to not have a page for Wrath of the Lich King. Blizzard already has a full webpage up: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/ - 76.182.47.9
• Speedy Keep Reference now given, see links above. ~ | twsx | ^talk_cont | 20:08, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep It's been announced. --Pcj 20:13, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.