Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/World Xtreme Wrestling

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Majorly (hot!) 10:49, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] World Xtreme Wrestling

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Appears to be a non-notable wrestling promotion. No secondary sources, lots of redlinks and some of the blue ones appear NN too. Note that a Google search for WXW appears to throw up a lot of hits for a German promotion. EliminatorJR Talk 18:42, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment As I recall this promotion's TV show went out in Philadelphia at the very least. I'd say any notability it has stems from the TV show and the Wild Samoan training school. I'd prefer more comments as to whether this is worth expanding (or even expandable) before putting down a final opinion. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 17:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. I've cleaned up the article, fixing most of the red links (with exception to independent wrestlers) and providing references. I've also expended its history noting its relationship with the then-WWF and wrestlers who have regularly appeared at its Sportsfest supercards. MadMax 07:25, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose - while I agree that the article is lacking in content that's not a reason to delete it. wXw coupled with the Wild Samoans Wrestling School (students "graduate" into wXw). wXw promoted the card where Gary Albright died in the ring, while morbid does set it apart from most indy federations and adds to it's "Notability", it's worth expanding IMO MPJ-DK 10:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Addition - The article could be expanded to include the wXw's predecessor (Trans World Wrestling Federation founded in the 70s), a section on the Wild Samoan's school, title history and be a good wiki entry. MPJ-DK 10:11, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • If that happened (with sources) I'd happily withdraw the nomination. EliminatorJR Talk 10:37, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I'd say keep it, looks legit enough to me and it has the backing of two guys very well known in the business. Govvy 21:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete No evidence of multiple independent non trivial sources, fails WP:N and WP:A. One Night In Hackney303 00:40, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
  • The notability of the promotion has since been well established and does include several newspaper articles as references. MadMax 04:02, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Perhaps you'd like to explain how the notability of the promotion has been established per WP:N or WP:CORP, as opposed to tangential comments from wrestling fans? The threshold is multiple non trivial sources. Two of the newspaper articles are only tangentially related to the actual promotion, given that they deal with the death of Gary Albright who died wrestling for the promotion, so I would question how much source material is actually contained in them. The other reference is not available on any of the archive.org versions of the GFH site, despite there being an archived version of the page on the publication date in question. Also given the name of the article it would tend to suggest that the article is actually about a pair of wrestlers not the actual promotion. Feel free to place a copy of the newspaper article on the article's talk page, paraphrasing to avoid any copyright problems so it can be reviewed. I ask this because of your dubious use of references on the Tony Stetson page, where you included a book that does nothing more than print his name (and whether he won or lost a match) on four different pages. One Night In Hackney303 04:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

The notability of the promotion, as presently stated in the article, includes the following points.

  1. The promotion is owned and operated by Afa Anoa'i of the Wild Samoans, a WWF Hall of Fameer and a former 3 time WWWF World Tag Team Champion.
  2. Many of his students who have graduated from its training school and have competed in the promotion include both former and present WWE wrestlers as well as a current member of the WWE creative staff.
  3. They have conducted at least two world tours in the Middle East and Asia during 2002.
  4. Their annual Sportsfest supercard has included former WWF and ECW wrestlers, the latter staging an "invasion" of the 2001 Sportsfest.
  5. Since January 2000, it has had a regular televised program in at least the Philadelphia area.

As for newspaper references I provided, one is regarding Afa's son-in-law Gary Albright who died of a heart attack in his first match in the promotion (supporting MPJ-DK's point). That specific article does describe the WXW event in which Albright died. As for my edit to Tony Stetson, I provided a reference to his championships won while in the promotion, which is clearly shown in the book. MadMax 19:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment As before, rather than repeating unsourced tangential arguments, please show evidence of meeting Wikipedia guidelines, specifically - A notable topic has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works that are reliable and independent of the subject. Please provide the contents of the source on the article's talk page as I requested. One Night In Hackney303
  • Keep I'd be happy to do some work to expand this after my brief wikibreak. Further comment: there may not be sources in the article now, that does not mean they cannot be found. Tranquility--ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 22:58, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Comment ”Tangential unsourced”?? I guess that’s your way of covering your ears and going ”nah-nah-nah-nah I can’t hear you”. Alright fair enough then in the interest of "putting an end to the debate"

  1. Owened and operated by Afa – Source? Brian Shields (4th Edition 2006). Main event – WWE in the raging 80s. Pocket Books. ISBN 978-1-4165-3257-6. , in writing confirmation that Afa does indeed run the wXw.
  2. People trained by in the Wild Samoan school – Source? WWE Hall of Fame entry
  3. Tour of the middle east? – Snitsky profile it mentions him going on a middle east tour for wXw, in fact it goes into a longer, NON-TRIVIAL run through of his career in wXw. WXW supports Operation Enduring Freedom
  4. Sportsfest – apparently it needs to be sourced to even exist, listing of matches for Sportsfest 2005, Sportsfest 2004, Sportsfest 1998 (with several WWF contracted wrestlers appearing including Owen Hart, the Rock & Mick Foley)
  5. On Television in the Philly area? the existence of a TV show called ”WXW Rage TV”, 1996 and on, Rage TV Report – ” WGTW Ch. 48 out of Burlington/Philadelphia”

That last one also mentions the storyline involvement of Bill Apter of PWI fame, something which to my knowledge no other federation has done, again helps make them rise above the usual indy federations. Tangential? They’re part of why this federation is notable, no matter how much you’d like to dismiss them. I think there is plenty of evidence to support the keeping of this article so that it can be turned into a good Wikipedia entry and that there are several people here who'd be willing to do the work and actually contribute positively to this article. MPJ-DK 07:47, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.