Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WorldWide Dream Builders

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 17:08, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WorldWide Dream Builders

Similar to TEAM, this article is a hodgepodge of advertising, unverified accusations and responses to said accusations, and other cruft. Any relevant information can be incorporated into Independent Business Owner, Amway or Quixtar; the rest can be deleted. Paul 15:43, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as NN, advertisement. I hope nobody is going to cite the MSNBC coverage as evidence of notability. Using that standard, we'll need another 100,000 articles to cover every tinpot scheme ever seen on the business news media, which is mostly a thinly disguised advertisement anyway. Slowmover 16:36, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I skimmed the MSNBC story, and I didn't even see any mention of WWDB. Maybe it's there and I missed it, but even if it is, the story deals with Amway/Quixtar in general, and doesn't confer notability to WWDB. Paul 19:36, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:CORP. Not really an advertisement per se, but just more Amway MLM-cruft. There are dozens of these IBO development groups (like Team of Destiny, et al). An article about the concept of these groups and their relationship to Quixtar or Amway might be appropriate and encyclopedic, but really this could all be merged to Amway in my opinion.--Isotope23 19:53, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Isotope23 Bucketsofg 21:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Hardly advertising. Multi-million dollar business connected with many millionaires...definately notable IMO. Gallwapa 00:28, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Comment Multi-million dollar business? Meaning what? The article doesn't even make it clear what kind of "business" this is. A "professional development" group? What are they developing, their WP advert article? With all due respect, sir, the article doesn't say much of substance because it doesn't appear that there is much to be said. Paul 03:21, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Then add the info? Research the company? The WorldWide group's business includes tax accounting, voice mail services, internet service provider, business consulting, travel, and more...theres a lot to be said. It doesn't necessarily have a huge online presence, but thats partially because WWDB has made an effort to subvert that information in some cases. Jack Thompson has a sizeable entry, but by many people's accounts, he has "notability" because he got mentioned once or twice on the news...meanwhile, the people who have dealt with this company over the past 30 years have been in the MILLIONS. Not notable? No, just a different target audience. Gallwapa 22:43, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Gallwapa - what you are saying may very well be correct, and warrants some investigation - however, "WorldWide Dream Builders" would appear to be a different entity than the World Wide Group. The WWG may or may not pass notability muster, but the subject matter of the current page definitely does not. Thank you for your comments, please help providing any relevant info. Best, Paul 08:51, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I'll also note that I am no longer associated with WorldWide Dreambuilders. WWDB is the original entity that "WWG" has sprung out of, the terms are interchangable when referring to the company. I'm certainly in favor of trying to massage the article, but, I'm not a 'huge' wikipedian...so... getting it to an acceptable state is hurdle completely. At any rate, I don't know what else to say. If it goes, it goes... but I would hope at least some people have gotten use out of this article (Its got a fair number of views, just from tracking referrals out from it). Gallwapa 16:24, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Jack Thompson has notability because he is a shameless publicity whore who will say/do just about anything to get his name mentioned in the media (and one of the worst contributors to our nation's growing smug problem)... and it works. There just isn't enough verifiable 3rd party reporting about WorldWide Dream Builders to meet WP:CORP.--Isotope23 16:29, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Gallwapa: Your contributions are appreciated, and your input to this discussion is valuable. It looks as if the best solution here is to delete the article and merge some sort of mention of it into the IBO or Quixtar article. Isotope - I share your sentiments about Mr. Thompson, although publicity "whore" may not be the accepted scientific term...desparate, shameless, etc. should suffice. Paul 22:24, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Publicity whore sums him up nicely, though... heh heh heh. Gallwapa 05:19, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. There's no real content here. The article can basically be boiled down to, "The company has some sort of a 'system', which may or may not work." There's no description of the system, or what it does, or how it works. For a company that exists only because of this "system" that's a pretty glaring omission. eaolson 05:54, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. No evidence of real notability here, its tenuous connections with Amway notwithstanding. Fagstein 06:34, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn. --Khoikhoi 01:00, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.