Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Works of Fanny Hensel

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Merge and redirect Works of Fanny Hensel to List of compositions by Fanny Mendelssohn, and Keep the latter. The articles have been tagged for merging accordingly. --Ezeu 04:37, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Works of Fanny Hensel

A link to this was put on Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2006_May_22, but the proper steps had not been followed. I'm doing that now. Basically an exhaustive list of compositions by Felix Mendelssohn's sister. Also including List of compositions by Fanny Mendelssohn, which duplicates all information found here.-- stubblyhead | ^T/_c 21:53, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• Against deletion. There is absolutely no reason, and no reason is offered by Stubblyhead, for deleting both articles, even though they are deficient in clarity and capitalisation. That can be remedied. The article contains valuable information and should be merged, as already proposed, with List of compositions by Fanny Mendelssohn. See Wikipedia:Proposed_mergers#May_2006, which gives three reasons for such a merger:

• Duplication
• It was agreed after extensive debates that this subject should be referred to in Wikipedia as Fanny Mendelssohn
• The title-format 'List of compositions by....' is the Wikipedia standard for such articles.

By the way, is User:Stubblyhead identical with User:Bethchen? On the page Talk:List_of_compositions_by_Fanny_Mendelssohn, it is User:Bethchen who says that she is going to move deletion of both pages. I am sure we want to remove any risk of double-counting in any voting on this proposal. --Smerus 22:18, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment I have no interest in these articles being kept or not. They were not listed correctly; I was merely remedying that. I am my own person; I have no other accounts. After reading the history in Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2006_May_22, it was indeed User:Bethchen that added these entries; she just didn't do it right. Also, be advised that the AfD process is not a vote; it's a discussion in which a consensus can hopefully be reached.-- stubblyhead | ^T/_c 22:30, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

My apologies to stubblyhead for my unwarranted inference.--Smerus 08:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Merge into List of compositions by Fanny Mendelssohn and strong keep the latter. No reason given for deletion, and I don't see why a prominent pianist and composer of the 19th century should be denied her own works list. By the way -- isn't it "Fanny Mendelssohn Hensel", by convention? TheProject 23:34, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep these two lists and merge them. up+land 23:43, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

i put the exact same list on ":de:Fanny Hensel", and the germans have no complaints. i don't know why some americans are so anal about capitalization. for someone who is as important as fanny hensel, it is very important to get her name right. in her own home country, she is called fanny (mendelssohn) hensel. in the US library of congress subject headings, she is listed under H for hensel. feminist musicologists call her fanny (mendelssohn) hensel. therefore, i don't understand why some people on wikipedia are so insistent on perpetuating old-fashioned nomenclature. 68.40.58.252 23:55, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

oops! i forgot to sign-in... i'm requesting deletion, because i was the one who originally contributed the lists, and i regret making the contributions. i suppose that, if someone really wanted to, they could make the argument that i'm violating renate hellwig-unruh's copyright. in which case, wikipedia will have no choice but to delete the lists immediately. Beth 00:06, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment The list is probably not a copyvio because copyright protects creative expression and no matter how much effort may have gone into compiling and verifiying the list, it's not creative expression. (see Feist Publications v. Rural Telephone Service) Thatcher131 19:36, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

It is difficult to understand Beth's protests. The protocol on English/American Wikipedia is that we write with standard spelling and capitalisation conventions. If Beth objects so strongly to these conventions, to which all other contributors subscribe,let her not contribute to English Wikipedia. Maybe German Wikipedia has different conventions which suit her better. For 'someone as important as fanny hensel' (or Fanny Mendelssohn as, after, extensive debate, it was decided she should be named in Wikipedia) , it would seem only respectful to give her and her works the encyclopaedic, and grammatic, treatment they deserve. That is, by merging and tidying up the existing pair of lists. --Smerus 08:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• Merge We should have one list of works by this composer at her most commonly used name and keep all logical redirects as well. List needs to be wikified and cleaned up. Thatcher131 19:36, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.