Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Windseye

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. It doesn't seem that any of the deleters are persauded and "why the heck not" doesn't cut much ice with me as an argument. I'd also observe that a link to an ebay auction and a members.tripod.com site are not useful as sources for anything. -Splashtalk 16:53, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Windseye

Advertisement for a stained glass company, company does not meet WP:CORP OhNoitsJamieTalk 03:07, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom. dbtfztalk 03:08, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Windseye kaleidoscopes are no longer being made. These kaleidoscopes have been featured in Cozy Baker's book, "Through the Kaleidoscope" published in 1985 and featured at many arts and craft shows throughout Florida during the 1970s and 1980s. The kaleidoscopes developed pushed the envelope of creative design in kaleidocopes and were the forerunners of many existing kaleidoscope designs available today. Doug JOhnson —This unsigned comment was added by Windseye (talk • contribs) .
Can you give examples of how it influenced modern designs? Where (talk) 03:40, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete: being featured at some shows in Florida does not create notability. Delete per nom. --Hetar 03:36, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Approxiamtely 40,000 of Windseye kaleidoscopes were created and made available in over 500 galleries and gift shops around the world in the 20 years of production. First and 2nd place prizes were won at the Coconut Grove Festival, FL, in 1982 and 1983. The kaleidoscopes were featured in many newspaper accounts during the 1970s and 1980s. Notability is a subjective word; the kaleidoscopes did exist historically, were unique and innovative, and more significant than arbitrary subjective judgments. Windseye 03:43, 25 March 2006 (UTC)Doug Johnson

If "First and 2nd place prizes were won at the Coconut Grove Festival, FL" and they "were featured in many newspaper accounts during the 1970s and 1980s." where are the sources for this? --Hetar 05:04, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Found this one for sale. The few Google hits I've seen suggest that they are known among kaleioscope enthusiasts; I'm not sure how much that really adds to notability. OhNoitsJamieTalk 05:12, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak delete on the grounds that the original author will rewrite it to be a non-advertisement (assuming he can find some notablity. If not, then definately delete. ⇒ SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 07:32, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. --Siva1979Talk to me 16:01, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, could something in it, but notability not proved despite efforts here. Deizio 17:24, 25 March 2006 (UTC)


Ok, here's some notability: http://members.tripod.com/kaleidoscopemuseum/djohnson.html And check out the original Cozy Baker book on K'scopes... "Through the Kaleidoscope" Note that acknowledgement on this page regarding the marble kaleidoscope design--- the use of marbles was a first in 1979. All other scopes using marbles were based on this design. Over the years the design evolved to accomodate marbles of different size (7/8" to 1 1/2"). (I'll find more references and when I am resident at home with a scanner I'll scan in newspaper and magazzine articles.) Windseye 18:42, 25 March 2006 (UTC)Doug Johnson

Interesting how many web citations there are for "Doug Johnson" even though the scopes were orignally labeled as Windseye creations, e.g.: http://www.scherergallery.com/guide/featured.imagepage.ihtml?f=35.1978 Even someone on Ebay is getting into the act! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6261597026 http://cgi.ebay.com/Satellite-445-kaleidoscope-Doug-Johnson-1986-MINT_W0QQitemZ6236768431QQcategoryZ104035QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem Windseye 18:46, 25 March 2006 (UTC)Doug Johnson

All binocular style kaleidoscopes created within the last 30 years or so stem from the models created starting in 1983 which include the BINOC with two wheels, the SUPERBINOC made with dichroic mirror on the sides and in the wheels, the ROLABINOC suing an oil filled object case, and a MARBINOC feturing a large handmade marble.

Use of dichroic mirror as integral to the mirror system as well as in the object cases of the scopes, be they wheels, kevels, oil filled tubes, satellites, gyrosats or whatever, originated with Windseye in 1978-- all use of dichroic mirror in the last 28 years was inspirewd by the creations of Windseye. Windseye 19:25, 25 March 2006 (UTC) Doug Johnson

  • Comment Hi Windseye, links to sources verifying notability should be attached to the article, in accordance with the guides at WP:V, WP:CITE and WP:EL. Then all you need to do is notify (rather than replicate the links) on this page that the article has been updated, editors will be happy to check over the page anew. Nice one Deizio 19:42, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Keep. Apparently not an advertisement, notable to those who care about kaleidoscopes (!?, but...). Kalkin 20:59, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

A friend just passed this link about collecting scopes along.... http://www.collectingchannel.com/cdsdetart.asp?CID=1&PID=421 Windseye 23:12, 25 March 2006 (UTC)Doug Johnson

Keep Appears to be somewhat notable within the world of collectable kaleidoscopes, narrow as that world may be. --Krich (talk) 01:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

  • "Why the heck not" keep per above. Sandstein 08:27, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.