Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wild In the Country (festival)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Petros471 08:37, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wild In the Country (festival)

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I have no idea why this failed db:Spam but it did. So, I am bringing it here. I don't see anything that indicates that it is anything OTHER than advertising. Postcard Cathy 22:44, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 10:52, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - no notability and seems like an advert. andy 14:11, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - this is in no way advertising. It states an event happened, it states an event will happen, it lists the artists who performed/will perform at those events. No opinion is given as to whether it was good and, crucially, no mention that you can go there. Mallanox 22:29, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - non-notable concert. Are we planning to list all concerts? My choir is singing at a local one next week. We expect a few thousand to turn up. This doesn't make it a notable event. Gillyweed 23:24, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

If your choir includes: Scissor Sisters, Sasha & John Digweed, Dave Seaman, James Zabiela, Derrick Carter, Yousef, Infusion, Neneh Cherry, Jon Carter and Audio Bullies; then yeah we should list it. Mallanox 00:11, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Mallanox, you are making a valid point but what is it about those performers that make THIS festival in particular different from any other concert/festival? Is it for charity, such as Live 8? Will it have any cultural significance the way Woodstock did? If it doesn't, then it is - whether you want to hear it or not - JUST ANOTHER FESTIVAL. And that, dear Mallanox, is the point Gillyweed was making. Postcard Cathy 21:27, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

The point I was making, dear Cathy, is that no less than eleven acts have appeared, or are appearing and are listed in the entry. All of these eleven already have pages on Wikipedia, they're not redlink unknowns. Hundreds of festivals occur with one headliner and a load of unknowns. Renaissance, the people behind it have the clout to get all of these people to play at their festival. This isn't a one off, it's not some small affair, it's at Knebworth. All of these facts together, in my opinion, equal notability and truly set it apart from just another festival. Mallanox 23:07, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Malla, thank you for making my point. There are hundreds if not thousands of festivals every year and all of them have famous acts playing them - whether it is one or many. The festival in and of itself is not notable. Based on what you have said, then the booker should be wiki worthy since they were able to get all these acts. As far as being at Knebworth, if it is like arenas in the US, then anyone with enough money can rent it and put on a show. If I were to rent it and perform, would that make it wiki worthy simply cause it was at Knebworth? STRONG DELETE 172.162.105.233 10:05, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

PS The acts you have listed are not even in the article for this year's performance and even if they were, as written the article comes across as an advertisement. If this article is to stay, it needs a major rewrite. Cathy 172.162.105.233 10:07, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mailer Diablo 14:44, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Delete Article lists notable entertainers, which does not make a concert or festival notable. Unless it is of unique significance (per Postcard Cathy) or an annual event that we believe has become significant we should delete.

• Comment' [1] refers to the 07 as the 15th annual. I didn't check for further refs. but this does show it is an annual event. DGG 20:57, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Then we do have a contradiction in the article because according to the article's author, this should be the fourth since the first one was in 2004.

• Strong Keep. Looks like the article needs help, but this is apparently an annual event drawing notable acts, similar to Sasquatch! Music Festival or any number of other similar festivals with articles. Does not read like an advert or spam to me either.—Gaff ^ταλκ 20:36, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

• Keep for now. I've expanded the article, tidied up a little and added references and links to the relevant official pages. Incidentally, looking at the timing, I believe the original nominator was quite right in saying this page was only added for advertising purposes - However, I also believe that the event may be notable itself. Category:British music festivals currently lists 99 music festivals, many with smaller articles and fewer notable acts than this one. I think notability for music festivals is currently a grey area of Wikipedia policy. Unfortunately, WP:MUSIC does not currently cover notability of musical events. I think this is also the reason we have such a bipolar lack of consensus here. If the record company/organiser is notable, the venue is notable and many of the acts are notable – is the event notable too? I think there needs to be some consensus on this, before any verifiable and potentially notable festivals are deleted. I’ll leave a message on the WP:MUSIC talk page and see if we can generate some discussion there and perhaps come up with some much-needed guidelines. Paxse 05:28, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.