Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Whispy Woods

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (Non admin closure). Qst 23:19, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Whispy Woods

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Not notable per WP:N. No coverage in sources independent of the subject. ShadowUltra 00:18, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Keep No discussion on the article talk page started before AfD for this old article with many editors. Article seems to be correct categorized and offers the relevant information on the game. Did not check all of the > 750 Google hits on this term but several should be useful as reference.Neozoon 00:55, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

• • Believe me, I hate to have to do this to so many quality articles, but the trend recently is that any fictional character without notability outside their series should be deleted. See: Ridley (Metroid). If any of these Google hits are useful as a reference, by all means add them to the article. Its current state disagrees with WP:N. ShadowUltra 01:19, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. The proposer thinks this is a 'quality article' and my impression is similar. Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy and so it is not necessary to 'follow orders'. Colonel Warden 07:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep or create a Kirby characters article and merge into that. It seems to me that appearing in 13 different significant video games from a major publisher, plus an anime series, should be past any reasonable notability standard. As for reliable sources, the Prima Kirby 64 Guide (ISBN 0761530150) should do the trick. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 11:25, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
• Merge. See my comments at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kracko (no need to repeat them here ...) - Che Nuevara 13:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep What I said on Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kracko. Tim Q. Wells 16:03, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Notable--Zingostar 17:32, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Keep Easily one of the most recignized villains of Kirby. Makes cameos in other series, and is outright a staple of the series. Unlike Kracko, Whispy actually has a relevant and important role in his games, and also in the anime. The fact you mentioned that ridley doesn't have an article, see WP:OTHERSTUFF Balladofwindfishes 19:15, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
• Merge into Kirby (series). I completed Kirby Super Star on 100% and barely remember this boss Will ^(talk) 19:22, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Not remembering a boss is no reason to delete an articleBalladofwindfishes 19:25, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
• Reminder to all voters: WP:N does not care how notable a subject is to its series, it cares how notable it is outside it. ShadowUltra 21:10, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Good, so Smash Brothers trophy information, the fact he is a notable NPC in two non Kirby games, coupled with his notability within his own universe can be used as a logical argument. Note that Smash Bros creator created Whispy, acknoledging him to appear in Melee 3 times, and notable enough to represent the entire series as a notable location, in a notable non universe game. And in reference to that, Anime=/=Games, in that they are seperate entirely. Note Meowth and Jigglypuff. Metaknight and Dedede in theory would also fall into unotability, because of lack of "out of universe" info. But really, define out of universe. Does this include only the games, or does it broaden itself to anything at all related to the universe of Kirby. If that is so, than Gandalf should be deleted because it references the LoTR movie, and several officially published products about it. Balladofwindfishes 22:39, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I am not the one who decides what "out of universe" is. Melee trophy information shouldn't be considered a source because they have a trophy on, well, everything. Gandalf, I'm sure, has references to character analysis and documentation that was not written by Tolkien or a fansite. It's fine to reference the universe itself as long as out of universe perspective is provided, of which there is in Gandalf's article but not Whispy Woods. ShadowUltra 23:06, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

So in that sense Anime or Manga not written/directed/supervised by Sakurai, Whispy's creator, would in theory than be a plausible out of universe source, if and only if, the article is written in an out of universe perspective? That would than also mean this article would not warrant a deletion tag, but rather an out of universe tag Balladofwindfishes 21:09, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.