Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Whiner Line

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was merge and redirect. bainer (talk) 12:12, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Whiner Line

I have deleted this three times now, but the author keeps recreating it, so I will bring it here so that if it gets recreated again, he can be blocked. I have asked for sources of his claim on my talk page that this is the most popular segment on the most popular sports talk show on radio, but he did not do so, so I come here. I don't believe the show itself is notable enough for its own article, let alone this minor segment of it. User:Zoe|^(talk) 07:42, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

• Delete it reads like a friend telling other friends how great he is; it's not a notable show, but if it is the author doesn't do a good job of making it sound so! Back to the deletion pile with it...doktorb 07:55, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment If you ask me, and a lot of other people who live in Boston, where it is a very highly rated show, it is notable.--Alhutch 08:46, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
• keep or please redirect to WEEI people want to learn about this Yuckfoo 08:05, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete with extreme prejudice. Reyk 08:07, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
• Leaning toward keep with a redirect to The Big Show (sports radio show), where the text has been recreated. Boston is one of the top 10 US radio markets; such a highly rated show is notable IMO, even if it is local. - Lucky 6.9 08:16, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Minor correction: Boston just slipped out of the top 10 and is now number 11. No change of vote. - Lucky 6.9 08:19, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep with redirect to The Big Show (sports radio show) as suggested by Lucky 6.9. I live in Boston, and can attest that this is one of the highest rated shows on the highest rated talk station in the Boston area, which, as Lucky 6.9 points out, is one of the top 10 (oops, I mean 11) US radio markets.--Alhutch 08:23, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep + Redirect to new, more appropriate page The Big Show (sports radio show), per Lucky 6.9. That page should be kept: It has been the daily afternoon drive show on WEEI, which is the highest-rated sports-talk station in the US (they, amazingly, are the only one in the city), for 10 years. -Meegs 08:24, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Please note that no one has suggested deleting an article on the show. User:Zoe|^(talk) 08:26, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to The Big Show (sports radio show) where duplicate content appears to already exist. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 08:35, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
• Merge to The Big Show (sports radio show). It is a notable if peculiar phenomenon in Boston, but does not merit a separate article. Chick Bowen 16:43, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
• Neutral. I don't feel I know enough about US radio shows to vote, but I would comment that, whilst this would not be notable in its own right, it would be appropriate as an article if, for example, the term "whiner line" has broadened to become a widely-used catchphrase. Deb 18:23, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
• Merge per above. I don't know as a redirect is that necessary. How many people are going to lool for Whiner Line in WP? But whatever. Herostratus 00:25, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  • But if someone does, then they will find what they are looking for, which is good.--Alhutch 04:05, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

• Merge to The Big Show (sports radio show), delete, and padlock - I doubt that this merits a redirect, and history indicates that even after the evacuation of material from the page/article in question, the same determined individual will be back to recreate the article yet once again. I should note that "The Big Show" is used in other areas besides the four listed on the diambiguation page (for example, ESPN's Sunday SportsCenter program, and local hour-long television news broadcasts in at least two US markets). B.Wind 05:06, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  • The individual in question, Zzz345zzz, has edited The Big Show (sports radio show) and understands the reason for moving the content from the Whiner Line page to that page. I can assure you that he will not create this page again.--Alhutch 05:45, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, recreate as protected redirect to The Big Show (sports radio show), independantly source anything that's WP:V, and merge, not notable in of itself. And please, all these claims that "it's notable in Boston" are just claims until they have some sources WP:CITEed. The command below the edit window "You must cite the sources for your edits so others can verify your work" applies to AfD discussions just as much as to articles. - brenneman^(t)(c) 05:38, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  • WEEI is the number one rated radio station among adults ages 25-54 in Boston. The Big Show on WEEI is the number one rated show in the afternoon drive time slot among adults 25-54. WEEI has 463,000 listeners per week. Source: "Winter puts a slight chill in WEEI ratings". The Whiner line is a popular feature on The Big Show. And by the way, Aaron Brenneman, if you want to stick to the letter of the law, then you should include your reasoning in an AfD vote per WP:DP, which you did not do. Cheers,--Alhutch 06:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Also, WEEI's program director was named Program Director of the year by a radio trade publication: Boston Globe--Alhutch 06:04, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Touché. I do want to stick to the letter of the law, and often suggest to others that they provide reasonings, so this is doubly embarassing. Thanks for the citation, and I'll expand by saying "not notable in of itself" (which I did not do, as you so correctly pointed out!) Your citations all show WEEI's notability, not this show's'. Of course, that then raises the question "where is my evidence on non-notability?" I'd prefer to adress that on the talk page, however. Thanks again for pulling me up! - brenneman^(t)(c) 06:18, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
      • sorry if that last one came off as argumentative. it was sort of written in the heat of the moment. This citation, which i previously used, demonstrates The Big Show's notability, as it says that The Big Show is the number one afternoon drive time show among adults ages 25-54. Perhaps you meant the notability of the Whiner Line, which is a segment on The Big Show. This i cannot verify the notability of, other than to say that it is a segment on a notable show, and to relate that I know it to be a popular segment on the show from personal experience. In that respect, I admit defeat. Thanks for staying civil,--Alhutch 06:29, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
        • I would say that a segment of a show, really by definition, should be noted as a segment of the article on the show. The show is notable enough for an article (per Alhutch's research), the segment enough for a redirect. I don't think either of you would disagree; am I wrong? Chick Bowen 23:40, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
      • I agree.--Alhutch 00:13, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. This certainly wasn't a valid speedy, and threats to block the author were grossly inappropriate. This is reasonable, not great, material, and should be kept in its current form or merged with The Big Show (sports radio show), but that would be an editorial matter and involvement of AfD is neither appropriate nor necessary. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 06:23, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.