Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/West Chester East Academic Team

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The result was Delete. Nothing here to show independent notability. Nothing to show that it's a "nationally recognised" team; winning some local competitions is not enough. Black Kite 07:23, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] West Chester East Academic Team

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Semi-procedural nomination. This page was previously tagged for speedy deletion for not asserting notability. Problem is, the page DOES assert notability by claiming that the team is nationally recognized, and one of the editors, User:Headtechie2006, says they have a number of national titles (which are not currently specified in the article). In light of this, the page should be listed for a full deletion debate.

Personally, I'm leaning towards delete right now, but will change to keep if we can get proof of the club's national recognition. --erachima formerly tjstrf 04:13, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delete Cannot locate WP:RS info to verify notability. Am open to change should reliable sources emerge. --- Taroaldo (talk) 04:39, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete The school's article states "2008 Academic Team - National Quarter-finalists" and "2004 Academic Team - National Champions", but with no RS's to establish notability. Grsz 11 04:55, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Per Grez and Taroaldo. Non-notable.--RyRy5 talk 04:58, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
  • • Need I remind you that this is the AfD/ West Chester East Academic Team. Leave any other articles out of your arguement.--Headtechie2006 (talk) 22:17, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
      • Ok, so here is a notable, 3rd party "RS" http://www.cciu.org/NewsAndEvents/acachamps06[1] this shows that the team has won championships.--Headtechie2006 (talk) 22:28, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

If you give me until the end of the day Monday, I can give a full report of our National record. For space reasons, the website www.qunlimited.com does not keep a full record of the past winners of nationals Lifelongpyro (talk) 13:58, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, as User:Headtechie2006 has said, the judges are more than an "arms reach" away for us. In fact, Chip Beale is a former jeopardy champion and so is Brad Rutter^[1]. In fact, Brad Rutter defeated Ken Jennings to win $2 million. In addition all of the moderators have quiz bowl experience of some kind. This makes a team that won at nationals more than appropriate to post.

• References
  • [1] http://www.qunlimited.com/Pros.htm

Lifelongpyro (talk) 14:16, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delete The team cannot claim notability based on the notability of the judges. The sources provided are not truly independent of the subject. DarkAudit (talk) 17:50, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

• We are not claiming credibility based on the judges, we are just trying to prove that the competition is credible and therefore the fact that our team won at the competition is notable. Lifelongpyro (talk) 18:17, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Again, notability is not achieved through association. You need sources, not name-dropping. DarkAudit (talk) 19:59, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 20:09, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 20:09, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete or merge to West Chester East High School. Claims are team is nationally recognized (which would give weight to merge), but text is not convincing. Not enough in article to show it stands on its own.--Fabrictramp (talk) 20:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

• I agree with User:Lifelongpyro. This article has shown than they are nationally recognized, an d have won many national titles. Those titles have been awarded by an 3rd party who is at more than an "arms reach" who is also highly qualified to judge groups such as this.--Headtechie2006 (talk) 03:25, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
• Also, this quiz bowl team is on of 3 school's teams that are in a district that all are very proud of their teams. the district is one of about 12000 students^[2].along with the 12000 student in the school district, each student on the team has a family who also cares very much about this and all of the other quiz bowl teams. if you do some crazy math, there are thousands of people who I'm sure care very much about this article. that to me is notable, or worth of note. people take note of the schools academic team when they go to districts, states, and national finals. Also all of the alumni and parents of the alumni, and the boosters also take note of when anything major happens to the team. not to mention that quiz bowl tournaments are sometimes broadcast on television.--Headtechie2006 (talk) 21:58, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, insufficiently notable. CRGreathouse (t | c) 15:20, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
• Merge into West Chester East High School, obviously. TerriersFan (talk) 18:00, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

• • references

• Delete, the sourced content can go to the school's article, but people are unlikely to type two extra words. Wikipedia's search engine should point them to the right place. AnteaterZot (talk) 04:56, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.