Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Warshaper

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. As pointed out, when we have articles on RPG character classes, they generally discuss their role in the fictional universe. This is a game guide with the class' stats and everything. If it is copied from a manual it may violate copyright. The deletion of this article does not prejudice something, to quote a 'weak keep', "something more descriptive and less howto". --Sam Blanning^(talk) 22:29, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Warshaper

Delete pure WP:CRUFT. Deprodded. - CrazyRussian talk/email 22:50, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Why Delete

While I agree this particular article is kind of obscure (and the current reason given is far more suitible than the previous one), it is well recorded from the original source (The Complete Warrior book) and, since there's an entire list of prestige classes, each with a link that is actually REQUESTING INFORMATION be added, it doesn't make sense to, when someone says, "ok, here is the exact information from the source" delete it.

I've removed my post from the discussion section of the warshaper article to bring it here.

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why, precisely was this page scheduled for deletion?

"nn, ue - scary stuff!" doesn't seem to qualify for deletion. It may simply be my searching skills, however I can't actually make heads or tails of what that means either.

The reason given below (simply saying that someone who came across the article who was unfamiliar with the subject matter would be lost) also seems a poor reason... that's true with many things (take physics for instance), though Wikipedia doesn't delete articles about that either. I attempted to rectify the problem and, since I am not skilled with linking, simply wrote some description and gave directions to search better, and invite anyone to improve upon this work. So... yeah.

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One other point to ponder. While the majority of articles in the list actually focus on the prestige class as it relates to the fictional world (most of which are actually quite well maintained) this particular piece seems to be more how it relates to the 'real world' (i.e. actual mechanics), although with RP's, at least in terms of what is and is not "cruft", I would guess that this would seem to be blurred or even reversed. Nonetheless, technically, this is less "crufty" (if that's a word), at least going by what I understand the definition to be, than the other pieces that are NOT nominated for deletion.

• Delete since we're not a game guide ("How to become a Warshaper"). If there's anything which can be merged to an article on the game itself, that's the best place for it. Just because there are "cruftier" articles which exist currently doesn't mean that any specific article should do so. BigHaz 00:08, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

• Discussion. The List of prestige classes has over a hundred of these classes. I don't think they can all be combined in the prestige classes article in this depth, nor do I think this is the D&D Wiki. I would say that an article of this depth would be great there, and what would be more appropriate for Wikipedia is a one-paragraph blurb on the class...in the aforementioned list. So I've got weak delete arguments fighting with weak keeps internally. At this time, I make no recommendation in either direction, but I reserve the right to reconsider based on further discussion. —C.Fred (talk) 00:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep. I don't like the how-to aspect, but wikipedia's not paper. Something more descriptive and less howto would be good. Themindset 00:01, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
  • So are you suggesting we keep this, even though something else would be good? - CrazyRussian talk/email 21:14, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, the article is currently purely game guide information, copied straight from some Dungeons&Dragons manual. And I don't believe it could evolve beyond that, since that particular manual is probably the only place that talks about it. - Bobet 18:29, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.