Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WPVI-TV Personalities

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Mangojuice^talk 15:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WPVI-TV Personalities

Was large and hard to manage, pared it down to current list, but it is now redundant with WPVI-TV. Most other TV stations have lists of their personalities on the main page and I basically did this and created the individual articles. Pressure Thirteen 22:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete You seemed to have come up with an elegant solution and one that gives some unity to the televison articles! It makes more sense if everyone gets the article on the station page and has links to the individual bios. The old page was a bit clunky to maintain! Kramden4700 02:15, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Was always list-cruft and since all the names with links to bios are on the main WPVI-TV page it makes that more encyclopedic and really cleans things up. This page is now redundant. Wrath of Roth 15:11, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
• Note This AfD is related to the AfDs for WCAU Personalities and KYW-TV Personalities. Tinlinkin 10:14, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
  • It looks like WTXF-TV Personalities is about to be divided as well. Tinlinkin 10:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and revert/merge non-notable biographies (My discussion also applies for KYW-TV Personalities and WCAU Personalities.) While you think your life would be easier separating the various people from the personalities page, instead, it may get worse if this AfD goes through. What Pressure Thirteen has done is broken up split the page into its constituent people. The trouble is some of those people are currently not notable enough to have their own article on Wikipedia. Those articles may be ripe for deletion, perhaps even speedy deletion for vanity. For example, Amy Freeze (which I picked out at random) is a meteorologist. Sure, she is one of 20 women in the world to be a Certified Broadcast Meteorologist. But her article could be thrown out because it might be construed as vanity. (This doesn't mean that I support deleting the article, and I will not AfD it.) If she ends up being deleted, I bet you'll regret breaking up the original article.
  

Most reporters are even lower on the totem pole of notability. People such as Lu Ann Cahn, Steve Bucci, Drew Levinson, and John Rawlins (reporter). Nothing against them, (and again I will not suport deletion before this AfD is closed) but those articles do not assert notability, and you are more likely to battle AfDs for these kinds of articles (collectively or individually) IMHO. Even if they are stubbed, I feel they will not achieve notability to be sufficient as bios.

I am from New York City, and my comparable TV stations to the Philly stations are WABC-TV, WNBC, WCBS-TV, and WNYW among others. When you see those articles, and other stations for other major markets, there are many redlinks for reporters, sports reporters, anchors, and meteorologists. For WABC-TV, Scott Clark, Sarah Wallace, Bill Evans, and Steve Bartelstein have been with that station for a long time and contributed a lot, but they don't have articles yet. It's not that the articles can't be created, but no one has come up with an assertion of notability on these people yet. I am not an expert on the TV news industry, and I would not want to be responsible for creating those articles, especially if the source is from the station's website. (This is also a reminder of copyvios.)

"Hard to manage" and "clunky to maintain" are rather weak excuses for deleting this article. I don't think there is another alternative to this article, and merging it into the parent (in this case, WPVI-TV) would be counterproductive. The article serves a purpose. Perhaps you may have trouble with its format, maybe you need to become familiar with the Wikipedia interface, I don't know. But from what I've seen in the past edits, the article structure actually seemed to do well.

I suggest most notable anchors would be deserving of their own article. The others (reporters, sports anchors, meteorologists, etc.) have to be on a feel-by basis for separate articles, but they would be appropriate for this personalities page, which is separate from the station article.

Here is example of this page before it was divided. Tinlinkin 10:25, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

• Keep and revert/merge non-notable biographies as per above Tazz765 16:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

• • Here is a suggestion: Eliminate this article, as "Personalities" really is an inaccurate description and degrades the fact they the people are journalists and not entertainers, create two new pages with capsule bios, WPVI-TV Anchors and WPVI-TV Reporters while keeping the list on the main WPVI-TV page to have a one stop place with the list of former station employees in the full context of the station article. This would be a more accurate categorization of the talent instead of the generic and inaccurate "Personalities". A side benefit is the pages would be smaller and make vandalism easier to spot. Hell', I'll even do it. Kramden4700 23:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
    • May work, but a word of caution, though. The Philadelphia-area stations are the only ones I see that have pages that give such attention to local reporters. That may not be the norm in Wikipedia. Then again, I'm not involved in creating broadcast-related articles. Tinlinkin 07:00, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete I don't see how this could be considered an encyclopedic topic. A handful (and a very small handful) of people on that list have some very limited notability. The rest are just TV-cruft and many of the articles listed there would be candidates for speedy deletion. Pascal.Tesson 07:45, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete List-cruft and TV-cruft. Pressure Thirteen also created all sorts of articles about these non-notables which will be send for speedy deletion per CSD-A7. Buckner 1986 16:18, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Buckner JianLi 06:15, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Buckner. Crabapplecove 01:54, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Cabled Substitution 00:37, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Buckner. Rekarb Bob 15:23, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Buckner. Ifnord 15:33, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Crufty, very crufty. Adam 1212 02:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above, no merge either. Something must be done about all these non-notable local TV personality articles. I know, delete them all. None of these people are at all notable, except for the ones that worked at the network level. Enough with the local parocialism! Cheesehead 1980 14:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.