Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WGOT-LP

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was nomination withdrawn. Qst 14:37, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WGOT-LP

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Station is not on the air and is still in the construction stages. Delete per WP:NOT#CRYSTALBALL Rtphokie (talk) 20:15, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

• Keep See Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/WKEL-FM below. Put a future tag on it, and get the link to the license application, but the policy doesn't say future stations can't be listed *if* there are citations to indicate they will. No different that other 'future' articles. doesn't make sense to delete when it will be an article soon enough, and it isn't speculation if cited. Pharmboy (talk) 20:53, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
• Comment: Whether it is speculation or not, it requires reliable sources to demonstrate its notability. Radio stations that exist (or are guaranteed to exist soon) are not automatically notable. J Milburn (talk) 21:02, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
• comment My understanding is that all federally licensed stations ARE automatically notable. They are all licensed to serve the public (unlike other businesses). If there is a policy that says otherwise, please cite it. Assuming I am correct, it appears the only question is whether a future tag is appropriate or if the station has to wait until it is broadcasting, which is covered in the linked discussion above. WP:CRYSTAL can't apply, as it isn't speculation when the future opening is documented either. Pharmboy (talk) 21:27, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep: WP:CRYSTAL is clear about what it is trying to exclude: All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable, and the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred. It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, provided that discussion is properly referenced. This article may need expansion but WP:CRYSTAL in not a valid reason for this deletion. - Dravecky (talk) 21:47, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete The "LP" means "low power", which is a special type of licensed radio station, and not necessarily entitled to an article. From [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28media%29#Broadcast_media]: "Radio stations... tend to have long histories and while the owners and formats change, the stations generally stay put. Notability can be established by either a large audience, established broadcast history, or unique programming. For instance, even a 10-watt station belonging to a high school may be notable, if it's in a fight to keep the grandfathered Class D license with which it's been broadcasting for thirty years. On the other hand, licensed Travelers' Information Stations are generally not presumed notable, but might redirect to an article about the highway, park or tourist facility they cover, or about the company that operates them if that company meets WP:CORP." Mandsford (talk) 00:47, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

The article you link and use as justification is an essay, not policy. A LP station also is not the same as a Travelers' Information Stations, so that is apples to oranges. I think you are applying even that essay too strongly. Pharmboy (talk) 00:58, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

• Delete Previous outcomes have generally kept federally licensed broadcast stations which originate locally a portion of their programming (to exclude translators and repeaters). A low power station is dubious in notability if it has been licensed for 2 years and has not yet broadcast anything, since one could buy the necessary equipment from the internet and be on the air in a a couple of weeks for not that much money. It might never broadcast anything. It is a crystal ball error to speculate about what the would-be operators of such a low power station might do in the future. Its reception would be confined to a very small area in any event. Commercial high power stations have some presumption of notability in that they are likely to receive substantial coverage of their programming and station operations in multiple independent and reliable sources. Low power stations are less likely to get such coverage. Edison (talk) 01:52, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Keep - per Pharmboy's comments and Dravecky's comments. Can't say it any better than they have. - NeutralHomer ^T:C 02:43, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - station is not on the air yet, article does not assert notability, and it's an LPFM station. No reason to keep. JPG-GR (talk) 09:06, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
• Withdrawn - I'm withdrawing this AFD. There is some indication that this station will be on the air shortly. Additionally the topic of notability of stations with construction permits needs to be discussed further on WP:WPRS before going any further with these articles.--Rtphokie (talk) 14:47, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. It is listed in the FCC database and will originate programming. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:04, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.