Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WATMM

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Krimpet (talk) 15:42, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WATMM

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WATMM (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Notability not asserted. Could not find reliable sources to establish notability on a google search. Article written like a promotional piece. soum (0_o) 10:50, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

  • KEEP this article is more well established than the majority of website articles on wikipedia. the website apparently is a haven for well known artists, a music community for known producers and a record company. how is it not notable? --AlexOvShaolin 16:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
  • KEEPAll of the articles that cover the listed artists link to the site WATMM. Notability surely established by wikipedia itself. It has a user base in the thousands. For a music genre that has a very small fan base, this establishes credibility.KoreanIan 18:40, 23 April 2007 (UTC) — KoreanIan (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • keep as per KoreanIan. additionally, Pitchfork media [1], themilkfactory [2], others have referenced the site, and the compilation album was available from Warp Records online record store for some time. --Kaini 18:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep as per others, also, posters on WATMM have included Wisp (musician), Datach'i and The Flashbulb. WATMM was also mentioned in a Sublight Records press release for Venetian Snares release Pink + Green which stated "Watmm fags will hate this shit cuz they're too sour from licking Joyrex's balls all night and listening to each other's poor attempts at trying to make their cracked vst plugs sound like BOC" but it was edited after a few hours. I saw it with my own eyes on Sublight's site. T-1 23:36, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
  • KEEP as this article explains details about the page that aren't self explaining, i.e. where that abbrevation is from. keep in mind that some of their resources have been gone with a server crash in 11/2005, which makes this wiki article additionally attracting with user generated infos (perhaps not added yet) about the history before. Minitechnik ) 13:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC) — Minitechnik (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • KEEP highly notable, forum is a long-standing bastion of the electronic music scene, and has helped bring several notable musicians into the spotlight. might as well delete the aphex twin article. 74.101.213.92 18:57, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Quarl (talk) 07:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete although the site and group seem interesting. Noone outside of wikipedia, the site itself and blogs appear to have written specifically about it. No news articles or other reliable sources have show interest in the site. Although everything in the article may be true we cannot write an encyclopediac article without independant sources. The site fails the criteria in Wikipedia:Notability (web) - Peripitus (Talk)
  • Delete per nom and comments by Peripitus. Adambro 10:31, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
  • KEEP I originally fleshed out the initial stub to most of what is there today, this is an important site in terms of supporting a large community of musicians. Probably the most outstanding aspect would have to be its ability to provide peer review by both signed and unsigned artists. I well understand that longevity cannot support the acceptance of the article and save it from deletion, however the site has a history which reaches past the current cache of references in Google. It should be noted more for its involvement in actually releasing musical material in the same way as a traditional music label. This aligns the operations of the site with labels such as Planet_Mu. Reviews of releases from WATMM records can be shown [here] and [here]. News source references can be found [here] and [here]. I have involvement with a number of sites in the same sphere, WATMM has notoriety within the industry, is well known and involved in supporting major labels such as WARP and Rephlex Records. Cen 12:21, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. In spite of the claims of notability in "news source references" asserted above, these resources are either blogs or incidental mentions in articles about a different topic. Zero reliable sources to establish WP:N for this website. Claims of notable persons accessing/using their website or incoming links from other notable resources still do not satisfy the lack of reliable sources. The bar for inclusion based on WP:WEB has 3 different qualifying circmstances - "The content itself has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself", "The website or content has won a well-known and independent award from either a publication or organization", or "The content is distributed via a medium which is both well known and independent of the creators, either through an online newspaper or magazine, an online publisher, or an online broadcaster". Three chances, three failures. Three strikes, yer out. Sorry, but this is just not notable enough for inclusion. Arkyan • (talk) 15:53, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per Arkyan. Hut 8.5 19:38, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per Arkyan; no references? No article. --Haemo 21:18, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete WP:N. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 22:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
  • KEEP once again, this organization has been involved with many important record companies and well known musicians, it easily deserves its own article. CITATIONS ADDED. --AlexOvShaolin 19:29, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
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