Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WALL• E

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. ST47Talk 11:35, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WALL• E

WALL• E (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) - (View log)

This is the 2nd time that a WALL-E or W.A.L.-E. related page has been created in short weeks. Consensus last time was to delete the page and wait until more information about the film has been released before adding it to Wikipedia SpikeJones 05:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete not notable: Not even IMDB has public information about it. by Snowolf (talk) on 05:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment - IMDb is primarily user-contributed information, and while most of us count on it to provide relevant info it is not the end-all be-all of movie informaiton. -- Y|yukichigai (ramble argue check) 05:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Walt Disney have officially announced it as noted on the articles page. And so what if IMDB hasn't even got an article on it. IMDB doesn't know everything. I'm sure they will now, that it has been announced officially.
    • Comment: The only information that exists (officially) is the one sentence blurb in the annual report. That certainly can't be enough to warrant adding it to WP at this time, as it wasn't enough to warrant keeping the article a few weeks ago when the only info was a random floating Disney press release. (key word in previous sentence was "at this time", not "never". SpikeJones 05:39, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
      • You refer to this letter [1]. Wikipedia ask for independent sources... by Snowolf (talk) on 06:00, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Official information about the movie makes it notable enough. S@lo 06:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment: The official Wall-E logo has been posted on Jim Hill Media [2]. I don't know if you can describe that as "additional information", as the logo merely depicts the title of the movie; however, I think the existence of an official confirmation by Disney, a preview picture of the main character, and a movie logo already give WALL-E its notability.S@lo 06:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
      • No, official information doesn't make it notable for wikipedia rules. by Snowolf (talk) on 06:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Since it is now official, it is most likrly no more than 6 and a half months from a teaser trailer. I think, given this is the next film from a studio that has made all movies that have grossed 150 million +, lately 200 million +,It is only a matter of time before this bacomes very essential. If we don't do this now, we will soon.jj 06:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Pixar is a major and significant production studio. Cla68 06:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep Bob Iger has released the first picture and logo from the film, and it has been confirmed that Andrew Stanton is directing. The release date has also been announced by Disney some time ago. Back when we deleted this the first two times, there wasn't that much information supporting a keep. We finally have that info right here.

User:Cartoon Boy 3:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep This is properly announced by major producer, all books and movies are generall accepted once this happens, some years ahead of time (future harry potter books etc).--Dacium 06:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete it does not exist yet. All we have is speculation and an announcement that something will/may happen. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia not a film rumours website. Guy (Help!) 12:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: there is precedence of Disney announcing items in their annual reports (or elsewhere) that later do not ever come to fruition (the Tron 2.0 movie, not just the game, is just one example of announced projects that never materialized). Not saying that's the case here, just saying that waiting for more info before creating the article is prudent. As for JimHillMedia, while we all probably read JHM, WP has been rather strict on not using blogs as sources for material.SpikeJones 13:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. If Bob Iger feels fit to announce it, then that's official enough for me. There really is no point in deleting it again. If the project is eventually cancelled, feel free to delete it, but this page should stay for now. RMS Oceanic 15:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Stop using these stupid images. Recury 15:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - as far as I'm concerned, a letter from the Disney CEO posted on the Disney website with an approved image is confirmation enough. TheRealFennShysa 15:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Comment - Reuters has posted new of the announcement now as well - link is here, as someone's posted on the page. TheRealFennShysa 19:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete Statements made by corporate executives are inherently "speculative and forward-looking". If actual work begins on the film, there will be press-releases issued and information will be made available to entertainment industry press. A comment by an executive who has no actual role in the production of the film cannot be taken as confirmation of anything. --Lee Vonce 17:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Comment - This is Pixar animation Studios. If there are pictures of it about and the CEO of its head company announces it, it is real. Pixar's animated films take 4+ years to make. I highly doubt they will get over 2 years into production on a film and then dump it. I have even heard word about 2 years ago that they were already making models of the characters. If they are that far, it costs a lot of money ot make those models. They are not going to waste money on a movie they are possibly not going to release. Even one of the animators at Pixar said on his blog that he is working on the film after Ratatouille, being Wall-E. This film WILL be released in 2008, no matter what you say and you are going to be proved wrong. And before any film goes ahead a film studio, the chief creative officer runs it by the CEO of the company. In which case John Lasseter from Pixar who is Chief Creative Officer at both studios would have reported it to the CEO of Disney, and he has had the greenlight to announce it.
  • Keep The article may discuss a future project, but along with the announcement was released a still from the film featuring the main character, and the official logo has appeared at other sources. This should be evidence enough to the production of this film. --Ridesim 18:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, sufficient sources at this point. NawlinWiki 18:27, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Is there a list of proposed Disney films to which we might re-direct this article? In the absence of such, Delete, as article does not assert coverage by independent sources, only a press release by the makers. Eludium-q36 18:27, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Proposed is way below this. this film has probably been in production for 3-4 years, they are "announcing" it now jj 19:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep More than enough evidence at this point. It's clear they are working on this film. Rhindle The Red 02:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - Variety has also posted an article regarding WALL• E [3]. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this was the first time that Jim Morris' role as producer in this film was mentioned, and that it was not announced in Bob Iger's letter to shareholders (which would mean that we have some additional information regarding the project). S@lo 03:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - All the stupid thumb images have been removed from this discussion. Please think twice before you get anymore urges to use images on Afd (read: don't do it). --- RockMFR 05:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep - official announcement, image, media attention, and now an exact release date (June 27, 2008 - from the Variety article). This seems pretty solid. Esn 10:22, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Just an afterthought (comment): High-cost animated films like this one take many years to make (around 4-5), so a release date within a year and a half means that the film is already well into production. Esn 02:55, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep - Nothing more to say, it's official! Update: And now IMDb lists the film too! Chris1219 03:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep - For someone who wants to know what WALL-E is, this page is quit useful. cpicon92 04:06, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep not sure it needs it saying anymore but the other few times this was created were a little too speculative but it is now official and should be kept. (Emperor 01:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC))
  • Keep dozens of Google news hits (most of which regurgitate the information in the letter to shareholders but are not reprints of it). As has been pointed out above, is certainly already in production given the schedule. Eluchil404 08:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.