Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Voyages of the USS Angeles

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was: with a clear consensus that this subject does not deserve its own article but not quite enough to merit outright deletion, merged into Star Trek: Hidden Frontier. Follow the redirect back if any more information than what I merged is desired for that article. --Sam Blanning(talk) 10:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Voyages of the USS Angeles

  • Delete. Star Trek fancruft. — WCityMike (T | C)  ⇓ plz reply HERE  (why?) ⇓  02:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. DarthVader 02:43, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge into Star Trek: Hidden Frontier - this topic obviously is not notable in and of itself, but it's probably worth a paragraph in the other article if indeed the other project was the successor to this one. BigDT 03:11, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge into Star Trek: Hidden Frontier, per above. JRP 03:30, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. The things that members of a Star Trek fan club do to amuse themselves has to be one of the worst article topics I've ever heard of. I've seen more encyclopedic stuff speedily deleted. Erik the Rude 03:34, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep - not only an influential fanfilm series, I'd almost go so far as to say it's a bad faith nomination, based on the WCityMike's apparent attempts to delete every Trek fanfilm article on Wikipedia, when so many of these are clearly notable. Also, merge was discussed previously, with a consensus to keep as a separate article. MikeWazowski 03:58, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
    • comment I'm not going to do anything formal, but kindly don't assume bad faith or attack my morality, Mr. Wazowski. And everyone has their own feeling of what is notable. I don't believe the articles I have nominated for AfD are notable and do merit deletion — and obtaining a sense of community opinion on same is hardly a bad faith process. — WCityMike (T | C)  ⇓ plz reply HERE  (why?) ⇓  04:00, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
      • comment "A well-respected and popular fanfilm series." Where I have heard that before? Oh, that's right. In about five other places on this page. — WCityMike (T | C)  ⇓ plz reply HERE  (why?) ⇓  04:09, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Tychocat 07:37, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete nn. -- GWO
  • Delete, not-notable... and enough with the accusations of bad faith please. Trying to bias an AFD by throwing around accusations like that is itself bad faith. There are large chucks of Wikipedia populated by articles created by fans on the most trivial subjects... we need regular sweeps through it to examine whether each article justified. - Motor (talk) 09:57, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, While this is a precursor to "Hidden Frontier" it was not made by the same people and is completely independant, thus deserving it's own page. JusticeCEO 11:40, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep, I see nothing "unencyclopaedic, possibly to the extent of violating policies on verifiability, neutrality or original research." Objectively the article has no problems, the problem is your perception of its notability. Could someone please point them out? Why should I not believe that this is nothing but an WikiElitist popularity contest? Within its field it is most highly regarded. Its field? Star Trek fans - still the largest and most organised Fan Group in the world according to the Guinness Book of Records. This is hardly "a small population of enthusiastic fans" I'll thank you not to use colloquiallisms in an international discussion. I have some grave questions about the creation and conduct of this AfD on my Talk page, could someone please explain?--Kirok of L'Stok 12:34, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge into new fan movie article. SJennings 14:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge into Star Trek: Hidden Frontier.Delete, upon further reflection... a fan made film that is not even available to the public doesn't really merit a merge. Though if anyone wished to mention at Star Trek: Hidden Frontier, that would be acceptible. --Isotope23 14:38, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, fancruft, non-notable. --Terence Ong 15:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Keep - based on past discussions. Merge was discussed several months ago, but consensus was to keep as separate article. TheRealFennShysa 15:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete, then merge into Star Trek (Fan made productions)— Milkandwookiees (T | C) 16:50, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge into Star Trek: Hidden Frontier. Not clearly WP:V, but if Hidden Frontier is to be kept (as it should be), this deserves a paragraph. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 18:08, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom; the number of trekkies does not make trekcruft any less crufty. Angus McLellan (Talk) 19:15, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Neutral While I'm not opposed to keeping this one, I do agree there's an argument for merging it with the Hidden Frontier article. The information should be retained in some form though. Nick Cook 20:31, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. Looks pretty unverifiable if the series was never redistributed beyond members. --maru (talk) contribs 20:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge, as per the others. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 21:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete- A fan film that nobody is ever going to get to see. That's about as non-notable as anything can ever possibly get. Reyk YO! 11:51, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom Deleuze 14:16, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.