Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vlada Frey

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Take away the finger paints. --Luigi30 (Taλk) 14:31, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vlada Frey

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This article makes no claim for no notability. A google search returns three sites: one Italian site that seems to be soccer-related, another Serbian, the third could be Croatian. Anyway, definately not enough to establish notability, unless those Serbian and Croatian(?) sites are somehow really important. Carabinieri 00:50, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - unless notability established/references are provided. Just FYI, there is a very notable Vladimir Stojković, but he is a football goalkeeper and most certainly not this guy :) // Laughing Man 01:08, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete for lack of evidence of notability unless sources provided per WP:BIO. --Shirahadasha 02:19, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
• Strong keep - This man deserve to have page on wikipedia, he may be the leader of the new artistic wave, obscure, yes, some times even scary, but free and passionate, strong and fresh, and what's most important - different! In this sea of mediocre, this guy is bringing something new. Currently he is only popular in the underground circles, as the article states, but wee can only hope that it will emerge and open eyes for many so called artists, and bring something new to this commercialized and conservative culture. There are so many things in the thrash-art that tell us of ourselves and our lives, it is sad that people failed to see it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Steff infidel (talk • contribs) 03:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC).— Steff infidel (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Note Steff infidel is the creator of this article. SkierRMH 21:07, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete - If he's only popular underground, he does not satisfy WP:N or WP:BAND. We can't have articles on people who might be famous one day; Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Given that, I'd say this one can be speedied per WP:SNOW. -- Kesh 04:02, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
• Strong keep I must disagree with you people. Vlada Frey is very popular in the alternative art scene in Serbia. The reason he is not listed on many web pages is because Vlada is quite repulsive towards Serbia's modern art and culture overall, thus being in disagreement with many of Serbian artists and art galleries. But that does not mean he is not popular. Many alternative and abstract artists consider him a genius. When one of the users mentioned Frey as "underground" artist, he clearly meant different, a little bit anarchistic and anti-commercial. Just like punk and metal music. And I see these two music genre's, even though, considered "underground", have large articles on wikipedia, as well as many of the bands playing this music. Vladimir Stojkovic Frey is playing a huge part in Serbian performance art of today, and he deserves place on wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vuk Filipovic (talk • contribs) 04:32, 26 January 2007 (UTC). — Vuk Filipovic (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Comment - Unless you can cite reliable sources to claim he is well known, he does not satisfy WP:N or WP:BAND. Also, no one deserves a place on Wikipedia. There are strict policies about adding articles for living persons, and Vlada Frey does not appear to satisfy those policies. -- Kesh 04:38, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Reply Okay, I'm feeling very negative emotions, and anger coming from the user called "Kesh". Listen dude, I don't know if you have anything against Serbian art, culture or people overall, but if you do, I think you should keep it to yourself. Just because you haven't heard of someone, and I presume you haven't got all the knowledge of the world, that does not mean that person doesn't exist. With comments like that you are disrespecting Vlada's art and everything he is fighting. When I sad that Frey deserves a place in wikipedia, I just wanted to make regard, that if whole "underground" punk and gothic scene can find it's place here, one talented performance artist surely can. All I have for "evidence" is complete Vlada's discography. If that will make you feel any more convinced, I will upload it.
    • Calm down. He's just stating policy. I'm sure Vlada is a great guy, and I'm sure he exists. I'm also sure Kesh just loves Serbian culture and has an entire collection of Serbian folk records. We're not doubting he exists, but the article needs to assert notability, and it doesn't. What you need to do, to try and keep this article, is find an independent source to back up the claims. Go to WP:BAND, find the criteria he meets it under, and give us a source. Even if he's entirely underground, if he's leading a new artistic movement, somebody has to have written an article on him. (And sign your posts, please)--UsaSatsui 14:40, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Well, I have no negative emotions about either Vlada Frey or the Serbian people in general. I'm just pointing out that this particular musician does not fit Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion in an article. I've known underground bands that I loved, but they're not notable enough to put on Wikipedia either. No disrespect is intended, but I have to be blunt: he does not satisfy the requirements for having an article here. Yet. Maybe one day, he will. As for your evidence, a discography doesn't help satisfy WP:BAND. We need articles published in reliable sources about the artist and/or his work. -- Kesh 22:01, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Absolutely no references, let alone citations. Nothing written in the article indicates any real notability and the article reads as if it was written by a close friend of his. He may eventually become notable, but isn't as of now. --The Way 06:26, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
• Strong delete. Zero references, no assertion of notability. Reading the article, this person appears to be a college student who has made a handful of self-produced albums, which does not satisfy WP:MUSIC. -FisherQueen (Talk) 12:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. --UsaSatsui 14:40, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per FisherQueen's reasoning. JCO312 17:04, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
• Definitely Delete The article does seriously lack notability and is generally not really relevant to Wikipedia. Tellyaddict 17:20, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per FisherQueen. Tony Fox (arf!) 20:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - clearly fails WP:BAND for now. Insanephantom (my Editor Review) 07:24, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

What is with you people?So many people are fans of Vladas art,and what is wrong with wanting for whole world to know him.He is a fine young man,passionate and wise.We know of him in Australia too.He has this original vission of future and you will regret that you dont understand him now.Look at the Van Gogh! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Delirium S (talk • contribs) 12:05, January 28, 2007

• Van Gogh is notable because many others have independently recognized his work. That is not the case with Frey (yet).--UsaSatsui 21:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.