Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Viperball

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was ambiguous. I count 5 delete votes and 4 keep votes (one unexplained). While two of them are relatively new users, their comments are cogent and fact-based. I interpret them as good-faith contributions. The premise of some of the "delete" votes was the copyvio allegation. In a comment below, a contributor to the article says that this is not a copyright violation but that comemnt is not definitively sourced on the article's page. In researching it, I note that the article says it was created in 2004 and that the official rules of the game are not yet finalized. That makes key elements of it unverifiable.

I am going to exercise my discretion on this one and delete it. However, I am going to put a copy of the current version in rbphd2009's userspace so that he/she can move it back into the main articlespace if/when it becomes a more stable sport. I am also unlinking it from other articles for now. Rossami (talk) 08:37, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Viperball

"Viperball" is according to the article an offshoot of Toccer which is already somewhat obscure, from what I can tell. I searched on google and didn't come up with much about Viperball that was related to the sport except for a few pages by the creator. I don't think the sport quite exists yet; nobody would be likely to look it up on Wikipedia, but the page creator did place a link on Invented_sport, as well as Toccer. Could anyone confirm that Toccer is widely regarded as a sport either? I don't live in that area of the country. In any case, I don't think that Viperball is played widely enough(if it all) to need an article. RadioYeti 01:27, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• Delete less than 150 Google hits, not much at all for a sport. For comparison's sake: Football gets 94 Million, baseball gets 54 million, lacrosse gets 7 million, dodgeball gets 1.5 million, stickball gets 64,000. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 02:19, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)
• It's a copyvio. Perhaps a paragraph about viperball could be included in Toccer. --nixie 02:33, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, not notable, copyright violation. Megan1967 04:30, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• Merge a non-copyright-violating paragraph (if that) in toccer. --Quoxplor 07:40, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• Keep after writing a non-copyvio version at Viperball/temp. --Ryan! | Talk 07:42, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep It's not a copyright violation. The Toccer Players Association authorized the posting of the rules of the sport, etc. as that group governs Viperball. That said, whether it's "notable" or "not notable" is debatable. Toccer is played here in Wyoming, as well as on the East Coast. So whether it's "notable or not," it's got more reach and notably than say duck-pin bowling in Maryland. Or I guess we could wait 10 years and post it here when the sport has the notoriety of netball in the US, though I would argue it already does in less time.| rbphd2009 19:20, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - David Gerard 15:07, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• Comment I realize that Toccer is somewhat widespread, but this is about "Viperball". According to the official Toccer website, found by searching on google, the rules haven't even been finalized yet. http://toccer.com/blog/index.php?cat=4. So perhaps it should be merged with Toccer? RadioYeti 23:32, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, spurious notability. JamesBurns 06:28, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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