Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vincent Salafia

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep.--Kungfu Adam ^(talk) 03:18, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vincent Salafia

As a matter of principle, I bring vanity pages here for a notability check. An interesting slip by the creator confirms this as vanity. -- RHaworth 01:13, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - this guy does actually seem like a fairly prominent figure in his own country. I'd like to see what some Irish editors think of his CV. They'd be better placed to tell us what it really means in terms of notability. Metamagician3000 01:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

He exists, he's a student and has got into the news. Actual achiements are limited. It's down to individual judgement whether a fairly easy way of getting oneself into the media is actually notable. Personally I'd Delete Dlyons493 16:25, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - it was written by him, yes. But I think he's worth an encyclopedia entry regardless. - Richardcavell 02:29, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. NN. He got a degree. He's getting another degree. He's suing the government, and he tried to enter politics. What's he done? What's his effect? How has he changed things? Why is he notable? Shenme 03:16, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep The roadway thing seems newsworthy, and he is part of it. Kotepho 03:27, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep He seem notable enough to have an article on wikipedia. Dspserpico 06:40, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above. Provide guidance for author (explain WP:AUTO). Monitor article for a few months. TH 08:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Important enough for an article. Semperf 12:59, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, notable biography. Vanity does not automatically means the person is non-notable. --Terence Ong 13:21, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:BIO --Knucmo2 13:35, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Unlike per Knucmo2 I fail to see anything in that article that meets WP:BIO. Offer him a userfy though.--Isotope23 15:10, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

"Political figures holding international, national or statewide/provincewide office or members of a national, state or provincial legislature." and/or "Persons achieving renown or notoriety for their involvement in newsworthy events" was the ones it seemed to satisfy, particularly the last one. --Knucmo2 21:05, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

He holds no office - so the first is not satisfied. Anyone can sue, by so doing he has achieved a small amount of easily achievable media coverage - that's hardly renown or notoriety. Dlyons493 01:56, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per WP:BIO Computerjoe's talk 20:40, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:BIO and per Shenme. This is reknown? This is a noteworthy event? --Calton | Talk 01:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Personal biography with no notability beyond a lawsuit that doesn't have any outside mention on Wikipedia. StuffOfInterest 18:20, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
• Comment from nominator. All the above remarks seem to be based just on reading the article. No-one has yet said "I live in Ireland and ...". Are there any Irish people out there? -- RHaworth 19:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I meant to imply that I was Irish by the placement of my vote above, but that was bit subtle :-) The case itself is pretty notable in Ireland but I'd never heard of Salafia before Wiki. He has been mentioned a few times in the media all right but they had escaped me - someone who followed the news closely would probably have heard the name but I'd be surprised if 5% of a random sample in a Dublin street would know who he is. Dlyons493 Talk 21:50, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you for taking the time to debate my entry to Wikipedia. Today I sent to following mail to Mr Haworth, who nominated the article for deletion:

Dear Mr Haworth,

Thank you for putting the issue of the proposed deletion of my Wikipedia entry up for discussion. I am new, as you know, and am not sure how and where to respond to the issues.

One of the reasons I decided to write the page is because I was surprised to discover that I am mentioned in Wikipedia a few times, and thought it would be useful for everyone if I provided a link to basic factual information about myself.

In addition, I have appeared in a good deal of newspaper articles around the world, as a spokesperson for various groups and issues. I think it is important to those groups and issues that accurate information be available, in order to lend credibility to the statements made. Because it is my job to make the statements. For example I have been featured in the Irish Times 127 times since 2002. One of the latest is reprinted below.

As an aside, while I am taking evening classes, I am not a 'student' in the sense that I do work as a lawyer, but do not want to advertise that.

The Tara issue is high profile here in Ireland, and my case has just been appealed to the Supreme Court, so it will run for another couple of years. Much inaccurate information has appeared about me in the media, where I have been branded a "legal terrorist" and other things I won't mention.

[a google search might give you a better idea of the situation]

Kind regards,

Vincent Salafia

[frenzy is at the cost of everything else Irish Times Sat, Mar 18, 06]

Tuathal

Oh, and I did notice a category in WP:BIO that might be more suitable than political figures: "Persons achieving renown or notoriety for their involvement in newsworthy events" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tuathal (talk • contribs) .

• Sorry to belabour this but I am simply responding to some of the comments above, in order to give you an accurate picture. There has been quite a lot more international coverage than I put on the entry. You can see more under International News Stories at [|this page]

Tuathal

• Delete per WP:AUTO, after the article is deleted get one of your friends, or someone else , to create it again, simple --KaptKos 16:12, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Forgot to mention I'm Irish, but I think this has more to do with policy than notoriety. Due to the contentious road building program in Ireland, this guy, who is at the forefront of opposition campaigns is going to come up in articles related to the program, and Ireland is seeing huge development in this area, so I would expect articles to be developed around this topic see N3 road & Hill of Tara, so having bio article about this guy would not conflict with WP:BIO, but it cannot be created and substantially written by himself. So Tuathal please read WP:AUTO, IMO it takes precedence in this matter, and the solution is, as I've pointed out above, simple --KaptKos 09:18, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment: WP:AUTO is a guideline, not a policy. There is no reason to Delete this article just because it is written by the subject. If it contains factual information and is NPOV (which it seems to me it does) it is fine as it is. If it does have some NPOV, that can be salvaged by others editing the article, there is no reason to delete it and then start from scratch IMHO. User:Tuathal did not try to hide that it was an autobiography and there is no reason to suspect foul play. He is a newbie, so let's assume good faith. TH 12:11, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Fair point, I'm bad, its not policy. I will AGF. I off to eat some humble pie:) --KaptKos 13:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.