Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Viktor Unnar Illugason
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 23:36, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Viktor Unnar Illugason
This footballer has not played on professional level, as required by WP:BIO. Punkmorten 07:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- and is already a Icelandic under-17 international <-- Does this mean he's played on the national junior team? (I don't really follow soccer). If so, he definitely passes WP:BIO WilyD 13:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, that means he played for the national team in the under-17 age group against the under-17 national team of other countries.... ChrisTheDude 08:24, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep per ChrisTheDude's explaination that he passes WP:BIO, specifically Sportspeople/athletes who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, or at the highest level in mainly amateur sports WilyD 12:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- Umm, ChrisTheDude says nothing of him meeting WP:BIO. Do you know why? Because he doesn't. Playing on the national boys (not junior) team does not constitute notability, and Illugason has not played in a fully professional league. Punkmorten 20:40, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- Spot on, Punkmorten, being capped at under-17 level doesn't cut it, neither does having played in the Icelandic top division..... ChrisTheDude 07:04, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- It still does per or at the highest level in mainly amateur sports - a professional league is not required. To boot, WP:BIO is just a guideline, so it is more important to follow the spirit rather than the letter (which we're also following in this case) under WP:BIAS WilyD 14:28, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- Football is not a mainly amateur sport, so that one doesn't count. Second, it's easy to play the WP:BIAS card in discussions like these, but I would rather direct the effort to Icelandic national team players without articles, which I have had on my task list for some time. See RSSSF for a comprehensive list of national team players who ought to have articles here (unfortunately the page doesn't load right now). Punkmorten 16:03, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- Of course there are lots of articles that still need making, but that's hardly a good reason to delete other articles - Wikipedia is still a work in progress. As for there being lots of professional soccer players, that may be true, but given the context, it's an inappropriate comparison. WilyD 19:32, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- What context? His Icelandic nationality? We can't keep articles just because they relate to subjects about some of the more obscure nations. That is not the essence of WP:BIAS. Punkmorten 20:25, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- Well, if there's a fully professional league in Iceland that he's elidgible to play in but doesn't, it might be used to make a case for him failing WP:BIO - but even still, playing on the national team is the kind of thing that WP:BIO is looking for. WilyD 21:52, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- Not the boys' national team. Punkmorten 22:10, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- Every precedent I've seen suggests otherwise. WilyD 02:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Show me one please. I can only think of two off the top of my head, namely Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paolo Tornaghi and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniele Capelloni where players of Internazionale's junior team were deleted. Punkmorten 06:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Every precedent I've seen suggests otherwise. WilyD 02:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Not the boys' national team. Punkmorten 22:10, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- Well, if there's a fully professional league in Iceland that he's elidgible to play in but doesn't, it might be used to make a case for him failing WP:BIO - but even still, playing on the national team is the kind of thing that WP:BIO is looking for. WilyD 21:52, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- What context? His Icelandic nationality? We can't keep articles just because they relate to subjects about some of the more obscure nations. That is not the essence of WP:BIAS. Punkmorten 20:25, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- Of course there are lots of articles that still need making, but that's hardly a good reason to delete other articles - Wikipedia is still a work in progress. As for there being lots of professional soccer players, that may be true, but given the context, it's an inappropriate comparison. WilyD 19:32, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- Football is not a mainly amateur sport, so that one doesn't count. Second, it's easy to play the WP:BIAS card in discussions like these, but I would rather direct the effort to Icelandic national team players without articles, which I have had on my task list for some time. See RSSSF for a comprehensive list of national team players who ought to have articles here (unfortunately the page doesn't load right now). Punkmorten 16:03, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- It still does per or at the highest level in mainly amateur sports - a professional league is not required. To boot, WP:BIO is just a guideline, so it is more important to follow the spirit rather than the letter (which we're also following in this case) under WP:BIAS WilyD 14:28, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- Spot on, Punkmorten, being capped at under-17 level doesn't cut it, neither does having played in the Icelandic top division..... ChrisTheDude 07:04, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- Umm, ChrisTheDude says nothing of him meeting WP:BIO. Do you know why? Because he doesn't. Playing on the national boys (not junior) team does not constitute notability, and Illugason has not played in a fully professional league. Punkmorten 20:40, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep on the assumption that he actually played for the first team at Breiðablik UBK as appears to be the case. That's the highest level of footy in Iceland, which meets WP:BIO for me. The fact that it's not a professional team doesn't matter as I read it, because it's the highest one. Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:53, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep if it can be verified that he has played at the highest level of Icelandic football and at the second highest level of English football (Ipswich Town are in The Championship according to their article. A quick glance suggests many players in this league have articles.) Thryduulf 00:31, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: He has never played for the Ipswich first XI ChrisTheDude 06:46, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. Mention of playing for a club at the top level of the Icelandic league constitutes a claim of notability. --Pkchan 17:16, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
