Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vicks, Arkansas

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was withdrawn by nominator. Seems to be OK by current understanding of inclusion guidelines, and further discussion on the topic really should be somewhere other than here. Arkyan • (talk) 20:24, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vicks, Arkansas

Vicks, Arkansas (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)
Moro Bay, Arkansas (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Johnsville, Arkansas (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

These Arkansas towns appear to be fictional, or at the very least created with fictional information. They each reference statistics from a "2006 census" which does not exist. The demographic information listed under Johnsville is a copy-paste from the legitimate demographics for Banks, Arkansas. As for each of them individually - Vicks, Arkansas turns up 0 Google hits, does not appear on maps, and I can find no proof of its existence. Moro Bay, Arkansas turns up a number of hits as a lake and a state park with the same name, but no cities or towns by that name. Johnsville, Arkansas does turn up a couple hits and shows up on a couple maps so it may be a legitimate town, in which case it requires a rewrite and not deletion, but the other two have no supporting evidence as to their existence. Arkyan • (talk) 18:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete - Unless it's real fiction somewhere. --Rocksanddirt 19:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Vicks and Moro Bay, no opinion on Johnsville. Vicks' lack of existance on maps is rather tellling. The Johnsville article may be a copy-paste of another town's legit info, but if there's really a Johnsville (which there seems to be), then maybe it should be rewritten. Ten Pound Hammer • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 19:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Moro Bay and Johnsville, now that they've been replaced with legit info by User:Carlossuarez46. Vicks seems to be a typo for Vick, AR. Ten Pound Hammer • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 20:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Vicks nosuchplace. Keep Moro Bay - which is real and I've replaced the junk with what the USGS website has to say about the place. Keep Johnsville will do the same as for Moro Bay. Carlossuarez46 19:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Note: there is a Vick, Arkansas in the the same county as Moro Bay and Johnsville (Bradley County), and that may be what's meant. The contents of Vicks, Arkansas are unsourced and may not be factual. Carlossuarez46 19:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Bear in mind that the USGS information concerning populated places is severely outdated - in the case of Moro Bay, 27 years old. The FIPS-55 list has a bunch of "populated places" that really aren't, and can't be used as a reliable source to say what is and isn't a real place any longer. Arkyan • (talk) 19:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Noted, although formerly inhabited places meet notability guidelines and verifiability rather than absolute truth is our guiding principal. If Moro Bay, Vick, and Johnsville became ghost towns in the intervening 27 years, a source for that can surely be found and that information added to the articles. As of now, the USGS says that they are populated places and given USGS's constant updating of its database the fact that it has not overridden that assessment, so in some sense the data are current. Carlossuarez46 20:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. The United States Postal Service zip code lookup site can be useful in cases like this because it distinguishes between unknown place names and those that are recognized but should not be used for mailing. Vicks, Vick, Moro Bay and Johnsville all fall within the category of "Not Acceptable", meaning that they are recognized but should not be used for mailing. I entered "P.O. Box 1, Vicks, AR" and got a "Hermitage AR 71647" response rather than an error message, meaning that the USPS would route mail addressed to Vicks through the Hermitage post office. "Vick AR" and "Johnsville AR" also get a "Hermitage AR 71647" response. "Moro Bay AR" gives a "Jersey AR 71651" response. I have replaced the Vicks, Arkansas article with a redirect to Vick, Arkansas. --Eastmain 20:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Okay, we've worked this out now it seems. Ten Pound Hammer • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 20:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Yay! resolution!--Rocksanddirt 20:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Humm. I'm still not satisfied that the issue of whether or not a 30 year old entry on a USGS map and the fact that the USPS will forward mail addressed to one town name constitute proof of existence of a real populated place, but I suspect that is a question more deserving of a broader input than one single AfD. Perhaps WP:LOCAL needs to be revisited. Anyway since this issue seems satisfied per current understanding of guideline I'll close the nomination - but to me it doesn't quite feel like proper resolution on the broader topic. Arkyan • (talk) 20:24, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.