Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Various 9/11 casualties

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This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus for Ong, Sweeney or Ogonowski, transwiki for the rest -- Francs2000 | Talk 01:09, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Betty Ong, Madeline Amy Sweeney, David Charlebois, Steven D. Jacoby, CeeCee Lyles, Alan Beaven, Colleen L. Fraser, Thomas F. McGuinness, Jr., John Ogonowski

These are all the remaining 9/11 casualties I could find who haven't yet had their articles transwikied to the September 11 memorial wiki (which was set up a long time ago for the hosting of these pages, and to which nearly all articles like this have been moved), and who didn't appear to be notable in a way that would merit their inclusion in the main part of the encyclopedia (I was quite conservative about this and decided not to VfD many borderline cases). My vote is not to delete, but to transwiki, as has been done with all the others, so that these brief articles can grow into more extensive pages on a wiki specially created for the purpose. Wikipedia itself is not a memorial, and the people listed here are unfortunately not notable except for the tragic circumstances of their deaths. — Trilobite (Talk) 05:42, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

  • Yep, I wholeheartedly agree, I only voted delete last time because i didnt know about transwiki so I'll change my vote 2 that. Supersaiyanplough|(talk) 07:34, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
    • Note to others: the "last time" refers to the VfD of the casualty lists, which resulted in their transwikiage, not to a previous VfD of these articles. — Trilobite (Talk) 07:53, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Transwiki. Thryduulf 07:49, 15 July 2005 (UTC). This superceded by my second one below. Thryduulf 10:10, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Betty Ong, Madeline Amy Sweeney for their role in providing the outside world with info about the hijack and John Ogonowski for being a notable representative in farming before his death. Transwiki the rest. - Mgm|(talk) 08:55, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
    • I wonder if the first two could do with a merge into American Airlines Flight 11 (with seperate pages on the sep11 wiki for all the personal tribute stuff). I'm not sure how much there is to say about them of real encyclopedic value that wouldn't actually fit better in that article, since their role that day relates to the story of the flight, instead of having it in two biographical spin-offs with personal padding. If Ogonowski's farming side of things is encyclopedic enough then he would be independently notable and deserve an article, but I would tend to think of the actions of the two flight attentdants as making them worthy of note as part of the story of 9/11, not in their own seperate articles. — Trilobite (Talk) 09:13, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Transwiki the lot of them. Radiant_>|< 09:00, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge Ong and Sweeney, keep Ogonowski, and transwiki the rest. --Merovingian (t) (c) 09:50, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge and Transwiki as below:
  • Keep. She has a day named after. Kojangee July 15th, 2005 20:03 Beijing Time
  • Transwiki all,WP:NOT a memorial. -Splash 14:24, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Transwiki all, agreed with Splash jamesgibbon 16:04, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Transwiki all Wikipedia is not a war memorial. Fifelfoo 00:42, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep (1st choice) or Merge (2nd choice) Betty Ong and Madeline Amy Sweeney; and Keep John Ogonowski and Alan Beaven; and Weak Keep for Colleen L. Fraser. --Calton | Talk 02:40, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
  • Transwiki all, Wikipedia is not a memorial. JamesBurns 04:36, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Ong, Sweeney, Ogonowski; Transwiki the rest, per Mgm. Xoloz 15:31, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Transwiki all Evil Monkey∴Hello 00:06, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Ong, Sweeney, and Lyles, as they provided information to the outside world by making calls, Keep Ogonowski for the same reason (information about his actions in Sweeney article) and for notability as agricultural activist. Keep Fraser for notability as activist for the disabled. Transwiki the rest. Dsmdgold 03:29, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete/transwiki all - people aren't notable just because they die, even if they die in a really distasteful way. An An 05:34, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Transwiki all. -- BD2412 talk 17:31, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep (do not merge) Betty Ong and Madeline Amy Sweeney for notability in providing information. No vote on others. —Lowellian (talk) 23:01, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep all of the articles listed. Combining titles on VfD like this is generally a bad idea (IMHO). —RaD Man (talk) 05:54, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
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