Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vangteh

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Needs a cleanup. Tijuana Brass 00:36, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vangteh

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• Has been deleted NN / unref / nonsense / hoax 4 times since 31 Oct 2007, but at 13:59, 8 November 2007 User:Khumpita has listed claimed references in User talk:Anthony Appleyard#Vangteh. In summary, Vangteh seems to be claimed to be a (WP:NN?) petty kingdom that existed in Burma before British times. The odd style is likely because his first language is not English but Burmese. Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 November 10 recommended undelete and AfD. Anthony Appleyard 17:45, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
• Looking at the references, by footnote number:

1. All 3 are just GPS data confirming some place called "Vangte" is listed as a place in Burma. The database gives 6 million places total.

2. All 3 of these are Wikipedia articles, which are not reliable sources.

3. Just a map/GPS data

5. Does not mention Vangte

6. Wikipedia article (see #2)

19. Trivial mention on a Geocities page

• So... I don't know. It gives some print references which I can't look at. The referencing is not that good. But there's also a language barrier here. I guess the question boils down to whether the place really exists or not... any of the other references are just an editorial matter, the article should only be deleted if we can show the place isn't really a village in Burma. The GPS data seems to suggest it is. Is that enough? --W.marsh 19:42, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as it appears to be a populated place in Chin State, a region of Myanmar, but the article needs a painstaking and exhaustive going over to sort out what is verifiable and what is not (and should be removed) and to bring it up to encyclopedic standard. --Malcolmxl5 02:13, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. The spelling "Vangte" may be more common, but it looks to certainly exist. Google searches here or [1] bring up hits of low quality but they all seem to refer to the same place. E.g. Thang Ngin who was a Baptist missionary to Tedim Township in Chin state is stated to have founded a church there in 1945.[2]. Eluchil404 06:55, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
• Info. I have tried to disentangle the text where long <ref>...</ref> footnotes were inside sentences. I have moved most of the footnote matter into the text. I have added section headings. Anthony Appleyard 10:10, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
• See Talk:Vangteh#History of this page for an edit history of page Vangteh including deletes and undeletes. Anthony Appleyard 13:22, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
• Weak Keep - as per Eluchil404. It doesn't seem to be a hoax on the face of it, as suggested at deletion review, but it does seem to get a arguably low hit frequency, and the area does seem to be notable in the sources provided at Google. (Links already provided above). Rudget _zŋ 16:30, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
• Weak keep and stub - most of the article is an unreferenced, meandering essay. andy 15:51, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

CommentI agree with Andy's suggestion to stub the article. While the place would seem to exist, most of the text appears to be unverifiable and original research. --Malcolmxl5 16:06, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

• Weak keep as long as it is improved upon. DiegoGirl 19:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.