Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valley Youth Theatre

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was NO CONSENSUS TO DELETE. Herostratus 00:40, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Valley Youth Theatre

Valley Youth Theatre (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Non-notable local theatre with 1 or 2 notable alumni. Delete. fethers 02:14, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete, not convinced of this group's notability. Lankiveil 10:49, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Notability: This theatre is one of the most notable youth theatres in the country. A Google search for:
"valley youth theatre" phoenix

Yields 17,400 hits. On what do you base your claim of lack of notability? Alumni Max Crumm and Jordin Sparks alone should qualify this theatre as notable. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zzglenm (talk • contribs).

Max Crumm and Jordin Sparks are notable. The theatre's not. Famous alumni does not confer global notability to a location. fethers 21:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, W.marsh 13:11, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I think this deserves more consideration... see news archive results: [1] --W.marsh 13:11, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment Careful - that search is picking up things like "Fox Valley Youth Theatre". This one is clearer [2] revealing 71 hits, practically all from the local paper, with some advertisements and listings pages. A full Google search gives 359 unique Ghits [3], again a lot of which are listings and mirrors of the theatre's own website. There's not a lot of good sources online, so this might depend on written media; it's very borderline. EliminatorJR Talk 20:18, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
    • If Valley Youth Theatre does not qualify for a Wikipedia page, then I respectfully suggest that all other local youth theatre pages also be marked for deletion. A Wikipedia search of "youth theatre" yields 3868 hits. Allowing for search overspray, let's say that there are only hundreds of other youth theatres of similar or lesser "notability" than Valley Youth Theatre. Shall we delete these as well? What about other local theatres that are not youth theatres? Someone commented that the hundreds of news articles that reference Valley Youth Theatre were from "local" papers, implying that that was somehow a disqualifier. Other than Broadway, aren't most theatres local? Below are a few examples from the search. Are these theatres notable? --zzglenm
I've prodded what looked nn and left those that mentioned they were national companies or the first of their kind. That said, "these things exist so mine should too" isn't a valid argument on AfD. fethers 03:28, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Where is there mention of being "national" or "first of their kind" as criteria for notability? I couldn't find it on the Wikipedia:Notability page. Zzglenm 04:56, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
On what do you base your claim that precedent is not a valid argument? Nothing like that appears on the AfD page. Precedent is a powerful argument. Please let's apply the rules consistently and fairly. Zzglenm 16:55, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
You have now marked for deletion only a small sampling of one search that I did. Interestingly, you marked the ones that have the highest relevance ranking because I took my sample from the first page or two of results, so you've left many, many other, less relevant sites untouched. Arbitrary application of the rules cannot be in the best interests of Wikipedia. Zzglenm 17:20, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
It's not my job to go through every article and nominate them for deletion or not. I'm not getting paid to do this, I just like to help out from time to time. Why so touchy about it? Saying that they're THE national company (such as Scottish Youth Theatre) is a claim to notability, and is easily referenced. Saying they're the first of their kind is a claim to notability, and easily referenced. I prodded the ones that were just stubs. There's a saying around here: sofixit. If you think there's other things that should be deleted, nominate them. If you think they're notable, supply some references to shore up the article. You don't like it? So fix it! fethers 03:34, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough. I think that Valley Youth Theatre has some firsts, including a national first. I will check with the folks at the theatre and report back to this discussion after the holiday weekend. Incidently, I would think that Valley Youth Theatre alumna Jordin Sparks' win at American Idol should give the theatre just a tad more notability (her WP page makes reference to the Valley Youth Theatre WP page). Zzglenm 04:32, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.