Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valete

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. WjBscribe 18:16, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Valete

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No verifiable sources to back up the relatively weak case for note, only source is a blogspot citation, considerable issues with tone MrZaius^talk 15:34, 23 June 2007 (UTC) Note: Originally flagged for prod by User:The Rambling Man. Moved to AfD when prod removed w/o resolving issues therein.

Delete Very few reliable sources. In fact, only one and it's borderline--an interview in a Portuguese hip-hop website. Everything else is lyric sheets, which could be uploaded by anyone--Ispy1981 17:09, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 17:13, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Portugal-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 17:13, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Keep It’s borderline, but I think he’s notable. He’s certainly not as famous and notable as Sam the Kid or Boss AC – two hip hop “superstars” – but he seems to have had a significant impact on Portuguese hip hop recently, even with only two albums and two or three videoclips. Someone who knows more than me about Portuguese hip hop should give their opinion on this. Anyway, here are some sources supporting his notability: Acording to this article on a Portuguese music site, his second album “Serviço Público” was considered by the critics as one of the best Portuguese hip hop albums of 2006. On this article on the newspaper Jornal de Notícias, a prominent hip hop critic, Rui Miguel Abreu, calls him the only political rapper in Portugal. Cattus ^talk 17:25, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Would it be possible to get some clear and accurately translated quotes from those articles posted to Valete? That would remedy everything but the tone issues, and those are easy enough to fix. MrZaius^talk 17:38, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know how to use quotes as references, but I'll try. I've also found another article about him from the magazine Visão transcribed in this site. In the introduction it says he “jumped from the underground hip hop to the radio playlists”. Cattus ^talk 17:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

• Delete I still don't see the verifiable reliable sources being used to back his notability, plus serious tone issues. The Rambling Man 17:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Comment Cattus has provided ample demonstration of note. Tone issues largely resolved. Nom withdrawn. MrZaius^talk 18:59, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Comment agreed that tone has been attended to. Still wondering how this meets WP:MUSIC though. The Rambling Man 13:51, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

One of the two sources from Cattus is a print newspaper source, albeit Portuguese - Guess I'm just willing to take his word for that. He claimed that both sources dealt with his songs in radio rotation in Portugal. According to my reading, the article now meets points 1 & 11 of the Criteria for musicians and ensembles, albeit in a somewhat difficult to verify, although not unverifiable, way. MrZaius^talk 14:09, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Keep The article is referenced, and he seems notable.--LindsayLauren 14:54, 24 June 2007 (UTC)— User:LindsayLauren (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

I just wanted to include, that when I googled Valete, I got about 571,000 results. I believe this is notable enough.--LindsayLauren 18:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Of course. However, valete has many meanings in many languages, it doesn't simply refer to a Portuguese rapper. A simple concatenation of 'valete' and 'rapper' reduces this to under 10k Ghits so perhaps your half million is slightly overstated. The Rambling Man 18:56, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

On a side note, even if Valete were a unique name, WP:GOOGLEHITS would argue that search engine results do not notability make. That said, I am now in favor of keeping the article, per my earlier comments. MrZaius^talk 19:52, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I now know that search engines aren't used to prove notability, but I did want to include that while googling 'Valete' and 'rapper' only makes about 9,000 results; if you do it with 'Valete' and 'rap' you get 36,600... 4 times what you said. --LindsayLauren 23:55, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Keep His video, Anti-Heroi, is featured on MTV Portugal: [1] . I think this assures his notability. Any musician with a video on MTV is notable. --HipHopLover 15:31, 24 June 2007 (UTC) — User:HipHopLover (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Comment thank you, both of you, for chosing your one and only edits on English Wikipedia to be on this article! The Rambling Man 15:33, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Comment and your point is...? --HipHopLover 15:58, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Comment it's unusual that two of you would both stumble onto this page within half an hour of one another and vote similarly to keep an article with your very first edits. But welcome, nevertheless! The Rambling Man 16:04, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Comment LindsayLauren & I are friends and we both thought this article should stay on Wikipedia since we believe its very notable. Do you decide who can give their opinion and who cant? Thanks for the welcome, by the way. --HipHopLover 16:11, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

No, I make no such decisions, all are welcome! The Rambling Man 16:12, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Keep He is a famous rapper in portugal and improves the information of portuguese hip hop on wikipedia.--Shadyaftrmathgunit 22:54, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

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