Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/VOIPStunt

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 16:39, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VOIPStunt

I added a prod tag with the following text:Spam: advertisement for a VOIP service with no assertion of notability. Prod tag was removed with no reason given and no edits save the addition of a logo, so I'm taking it to AfD for the stated reason Tonywalton  | Talk 14:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, WP:SPAM, advertisement. --Terence Ong 14:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. -- Kicking222 15:06, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - per nom and orig reason given when prodded - Politepunk 15:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Second VOIP company ad this week. Fan1967 15:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. This article talks about a new VOIP service of benefit to other users and which is rapidly gaining popularity for making FREE calls to landlines using the internet. So, if people should know about other free VOIP services like Skype and Jajah, they also deserve to know about VOIPStunt which allows calling about 49 countries in the world free of cost. Google returns 264,000 results for this software including expert reviews, test reports, user experiences etc. Some websites are also talking about this as a better alternative to Skype. So, if Skype and Jajah are metioned, this software should also be brought to the awareness of the masses. vishaltayal 22:03, 6 May 2006 (IST)

Comment Can you explain what makes this service notable? For instance does it meet WP:CORP guidelines in any way? Wikipedia is not generally a medium for advertising, however "of benefit" the advertisement is claimed to be. By the way, your article appears to be a copy/paste of an entry this web page which claims "all rights reserved". You are aware that though in this instance the rights appear to be yours, posting it on Wikipedia means that, as it says at the bottom of the edit box, You agree to license your contributions under the GFDL? Tonywalton  | Talk 15:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment Google returns 264,000 results for VOIPStunt including expert reviews, test reports, user experiences etc. which would fulfill the Wikipedia WP:CORP guidelines. Yes, a different version of this article also features in the tech reviews section of my blog. I agree to license this particular version on Wikipedia under the GFDL.vishaltayal 22:10, 6 May 2006 (IST)

Comment Hundreds, if not thousands, of companies have jumped into the VOIP market. What distinguishes this one? Is it a dominant player in the market? Does it have a significant market share? Fan1967 17:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - note that the same user has created an identical page at VOIPBuster - it should probably be deleted too.

Comment VOIPBuster is another variant offered by Betamax Group. Their list of FREE destinations is different and they offer VOIP-in numbers in different destinations. I have changed the entry to reflect the differences between VOIPBuster and VOIPStunt.

• Keep. I have reworked the article to make it sound less like advertising. I hope this now qualitifies for inclusion in Wikipedia. It is still a stub and will need expansion. Will work on it when I have more time. vishaltayal 22:03, 6 May 2006 (IST)

  Comment. While your contribution to the discussion does not have to end when you express your view on whether to "keep" or "delete", you probably should not "vote" more than once. Bucketsofg✐ 21:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

  I have struck out the second vote. Stifle (talk) 15:35, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Wikipedia is not a business directory. Bucketsofg✐ 21:06, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

  Comment. If Wikipedia is not a business directory, we also need to delete from Wikipedia, many other instant messengers which hardly anyone else knows about i.e they can also be considered as advertisements of their respective companies. Deleting some and keeping others is NOT FAIR. Some examples are Camfrog, Rediff BOL and Nate. I wonder how are these kept! vishaltayal 12:15, 7 May 2006 (IST)

  Possibly because none of those have been nominated for deletion either. Feel free to nominate them - see Wikipedia:Deletion process for how to do it. Stifle (talk) 15:35, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, NN. vishaltayal, feel free to nominate those articles for deletion too. -- ReyBrujo 20:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, advert. Stifle (talk) 15:35, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete this one and VOIPBuster as well BigDT 17:42, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment VOIPBuster, as the press references on its AfD page clearly suggest is more notable than both Betamax and VOIPStunt. So, while an article about VOIPStunt can be deleted and VOIPStunt mentioned as another variation of VOIPBuster, I see no reason why VOIPBuster should also go along with VOIPStunt. Also, please note that VOIPBuster is not just a rate plan but a standalone VOIP application like Skype and Yahoo! Messenger.--vishaltayal 18:35, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.