Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Urewera 17

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The result was Redirected.. bibliomaniac15 A straw poll on straw polls 05:05, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Urewera 17

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There are no independent, significant sources for this term. Mentions do not exist outside PR on behalf of those imprisoned. We can't presume that the term will become notable. John Nevard 22:25, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletions. —gadfium 22:41, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
• Merge to 2007 New Zealand anti-terror raids. No need for a separate article at this point.-gadfium 22:41, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. Don't think we'll get much out of it. The criticism section is already bloated with PR from overlapping minor groups. John Nevard 22:49, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
• Merge/Delete. Merge, but cull any bits that aren't absolutely necessary. Shows only bare minimum of sources. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry 22:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

• Comment. If we merge, we must retain the article history for the GFDL. "Merge, then delete" is not a valid vote. --Dhartung | Talk 22:56, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

• Merge and redirect as above. It's a plausible search term but somewhat inherently POV. --Dhartung | Talk 22:56, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
• Merge, I'm leaning towards merge as the above have pointed out. Mathmo ^Talk 23:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
• Comment I started the article because the one on the raids is already very long, and its likely there will be more information about those arrested coming out in the media. It looks like the main issue that John (and others?) have is that the name "Urewera 17" is only mentioned on Indymedia, the thing is, even if that name is not notable, those 17 people are (I wouldn't say individulally, but as a group anyway) If people have a problem with the name "Urewera 17" could they suggest another name for the article? Lossenelin 02:12, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment When the people concerned are convicted or name suppression is lifted, an article named 'People arrested in the 2007 New Zealand anti-terror raids' might be appropriate. Little information on those arrested is yet available, so there is no reason to have any separate article on them under any name. There are plenty of articles larger than the 2007 New Zealand anti-terror raids article, and should the references and the most insignificant groups in the reaction section be trimmed down, it will be a lot shorter. John Nevard 03:09, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect. Not enough information here to justify a separate article, and there is room in the other article for this information. Nick Graves 18:15, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment Looks like the consensus is to merge, should I be bold and do just that? Lossenelin 19:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Won't argue, if you feel the content's justified on the main article. John Nevard 10:46, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.