Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Urban goth

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. --Sam Blanning(talk) 16:39, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Urban goth

As opposed to Rural goth or suburban goth? This is another article (by one of two users) about a non notable and unverifiable genre. IrishGuy 17:28, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete - I'm not even sure exactly what this is an article for. Is it for a music scene or is it for a style of clothing? The article is based on Original Research and the Sources don't point to what the article is about. There's nothing on Hot Topic's website that I can find that mentions "Urban Goth", The link to the Will Cristopher book review uses the following adjectives "heavy" and "urban" with the noun "Goth" to describe the mood of the novels, it doesn't specify a new genre classification "Urban Goth". The Urban Goth Apparel website is a normal online Gothic clothing website. The Artamatik source simply gives a link to the same Urban Goth Apparel website I just mentioned. The two Alexandre Plokohov articles don't mention anything about "Urban Goth", he's a designer who makes "Goth-influenced" clothing. The candisc.com link appears to be a CD/DVD replicating website that mentions its replicated cds for a number of different genres "ranging from rock to country, jazz to hip hop, and classical to urban goth"... It seems rather obvious that urban goth here isn't referring to a specific genre dependent of Goth, but again, an adjective before the noun Goth. It appears to me that most of the citation was taken at random from a simple search on a search engine for anything that had both the words "Urban" and "Goth".--Adrift* 18:21, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment there is a 'dictionary' definition for it. I am not sure if it's a really 'notable' genre yet. Crum375 21:00, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment - Yes, but it's in reference to Cyber (subculture) which already has an article, and I personally find any reference you can find in the Urban Dictionary to be contentious at best. Have you read some of its entries? Here's one for the 3rd entry to Cyber Goth on the Urban Dictionary: Usually either very tall or short, so will wear massive boots to make them selfs look either REALLY tall or just a bit smaller than everyone else. Is also usually more arrogant than normal goths, ie will only talk to you if you like anything really dark or horrible, or like put fuck loads of drugs down your throught every weekend. note: can also be pronounced cyber-gaff just for a laff. even more basically, a goth who goes to raves "oi hugo, get that puppie out of the oven, you fucking crazy cyber-goth!"
Doesn't exactly seem like an encyclopedic reference if you ask me.--Adrift* 21:21, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I guess it's a matter of notability - a subculture can still be notable - the question is how many members (I think 10,000 would be a good start) and can it be reliably verified. Crum375 22:20, 21 May 2006 (UTC) (still no opinion)
  • Comment - The article fails to establish what country(ies) this sub-culture occurs in, and also what differentiates "Urban Goth", from the more common "goth" - (which from personal experience I KNOW was around at least 15 years earlier than cited). Cptoatsy 23:57, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete -- I think this article doesn't have enough context for me to even be sure what exactly it is supposed to be about. Mangojuicetalk 23:59, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, then convert into a redirect to Urban Gothic, a UK television series. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 21:32, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete.--Peta 06:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.