Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/University of Georgetown

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The result was Delete, taking into account that there is hardly any content, and create a dab page, which would facilitate rectification in case it can be verified that University of Georgetown would refer in Guyana to anything different than University of Guyana. Tikiwont (talk) 10:32, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

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There's no such institution. It's University of Guyana. Should this be speedied? Camillus (talk) 20:55, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Comment - Wow! 3 ghits! Seriously, the only University in Guyana is University of Guyana, which is in Georgetown.
Should probably redirect to Georgetown University Camillus (talk) 21:18, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
And 5 google scholar hits Wow, sarcasm not appreciated. It's not the number of hits that counts but the quality. Obviously, not a hoax. If high schools are generally notable per Outcomes, what about Universities? If you follow the links, you will see that there is verifiability for the subject. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 21:22, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and obviously, should not be a redirect to the one in Washington. Dlohcierekim 21:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep per information provided by Dloh. Considering Wikipedia's prominence as a source, it's really disturbing the ease at which things get deleted without verification of anything involved. Looking at the matter at hand, you should have a look at WP:NOTBIGENOUGH. Celarnor (talk) 21:31, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep In light of that which is presented above, and my own searching, obviously this does not meet WP:HOAX. A university more or less possesses inherent notability, much like high schools. WP:SCHOOL. Wisdom89 (T / C) 21:33, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment Most Google hits seem to be related to University of Guyana instead. Possible redirect to University of Guyana? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 21:39, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Comment - please consider the possibility that the 5 hits are just plain wrong, or "mistaken", a similar search for "University of Guyana" gets pages and pages of hits. There is only one university in Guyana - that is "University of Guyana", in Georgetown. I lived and worked in education in Georgetown for two years, I think I'd know if there was another university.
Should be a disambig page for Georgetown University and University of Guyana Camillus (talk) 21:40, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable to make disambig page. Dlohcierekim 21:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I can't get on board with that. Yes. Wisdom89 (T / C) 21:45, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - no reliable sources have been provided with which to verify the content of the article. Guest9999 (talk) 21:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete/Redirect per Camillus. CRGreathouse (t | c) 22:24, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Redirect/Dab pretty obviously just a mistaken name, either redirect to the correct name or make into a disambiguation page. Adam McCormick (talk) 00:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep There is so such an institution. [1] [2] [3] It is also clear this is not a mistaken name. [4] [5] [6] [7] --The Devil's Advocate (talk) 20:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Comment - I assume The Devil's Advocate is just trying to live up to his user name. Don't waste your time following the links - they do not prove anything of the sort. Check instead the 5 Google scholar links for University of Georgetown versus the 1410 for University of Guyana, cited above.
(Sigh - I wish I'd just been bold and dabbed the page to UG/Georgetown Uni. There is only one university in Guyana!!!) Camillus (talk) 22:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Gee, we should just take your word at it then. You say you've been to Guyana and know there's only one university. Obviously personal anecdotes pass WP: Verifiability. This is not simply a matter of it being mentioned, but it being mentioned on the same page as the University of Guyana as a separate university. One of those sources, mind you, is the Smithsonian. Now, who should we trust, some person on the Internet who says he totally knows there's only one university there or the Smithsonian. Another source calling it University of Georgetown, though not mentioning University of Guyana, was the UN. Does the UN use nicknames? I doubt they'd mix the names up. I for one can not find a source showing that University of Georgetown is even a nickname for University of Guyana. When the UN and Smithsonian both attest to this university's existence and one attests it as a different university from University of Guyana, you're going to have to give something better than your personal experience.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 19:05, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Comment - If you care to follow the link on the Smithsonian Institute page you cited, RTP Project Summary you'll see it refers to a Guyanese student at the "University of Georgetown" in Washington DC.
All the others cited for the existence of this university mention it by name only.
The website of University of Guyana is http://www.uog.edu.gy/ Find me the website of the "University of Georgetown" in Guyana and I'll eat my hat. Or perhaps this "university" doesn't have a web-site?
Here is the International Association of Universities (a UN - UNESCO hosted organisations) list of universities - Note ONE entry for Guyana.
UG has campuses in Turkeyen, Georgetown and Tain Campus, Berbice - it's entry on the 4 International Colleges and Universities list of accredited unis and colleges is at http://www.4icu.org/reviews/1911.htm . Find me a single mention of this fictitious University's address or phone number which shows it's not just been mistaken for the one and only uni in Guyana and I'll give you 8000 Guyanese dollars. Camillus (talk) 13:16, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure the last part of your comment was all that necessary for this discussion - and it smacks of WP:SARCASM. Wisdom89 (T / C) 13:43, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
No sarcasm at all - it's a genuine offer, and it still stands. When I got home from Guyana I found 8000 G$ in a jacket pocket that'd I'd forgotten about. It's worth about 40 US$ and I will donate it to the charity of choice of anyone who can find the website, the address or the phone number of the University of Georgetown in Guyana, other than proof that it's just a mistaken name for the University of Guyana. Camillus (talk) 22:46, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Your attitude is not welcome is all I have to say. I looked at other sources and I found at least one instance where University of Georgetown and University of Guyana are clearly referring to the same place, but this in no way deals with the problem of the United Nations University listing University of Georgetown in Guyana as one of their partners and other sources referring to two universities there. Your sources are not to be taken as proof as the fact only one university is shown doesn't mean there is only one university since neither source would require every university be included. If anything it proves University of Guyana is a prominent and well-known university in Guyana.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 21:11, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Please provide the link for "United Nations University listing University of Georgetown in Guyana as one of their partners" - I couldn't find it, sorry.
I can't agree with your 2nd statement - the two sources I give for lists of accredited universities, the United Nations/UNESCO/IAU and 4ICU are comprehensive lists of 'accredited universities.
Here's some more -
BRAINTRACK - The World's most complete Education-Index http://www.braintrack.com/linknav.htm?pprevid=24&level=3
Webometrics Ranking of World Universities http://www.webometrics.info/university_by_country.asp?country=gy
Find a school http://www.findaschool.org/index.php?Country=Guyana
College Abroad http://www.collegeabroad.com/guyana/
Universities Worldwide http://univ.cc/search.php?dom=gy&key=&start=1
So I think we can say that a university that is not accredited, has no web-site, no phone number, no address is either a) not verifiable b) not notable or c) just doesn't exist! Camillus (talk) 22:46, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
There is a UN source which is the first site I gave. Here's the UNU page: [8]--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 03:16, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
As I said above, all we have there is the text "University of Georgetown, Guyana" - doesn't clinch it for me, sorry. Camillus (talk) 10:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Sarcasm?? On Wikipedia? Heavens forfend! I guess if we can have faux Supports on RfA, why not ironic keeps at AfD? Camillus makes some sound arguments to delete the thing. U o Georgetown may be a misnomer for U of Guyana, so I like the idea of keeping as a Disambig page. Dlohcierekim 14:04, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Get right out of town! heh, but seriously, even though I made a typo up above, I am still for the disambiguation page. Wisdom89 (T / C) 14:11, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Comment The G$8000 reward also applies to anyone who can find a picture or map location for "University of Georgetown" in Guyana. To save you the bother, I've tried google images and maps.

Images
Maps
Go to http:maps.google.com and try "University of Guyana" loc:Guyana - Voila!
Go to http:maps.google.com and try "University of Georgetown" loc:Guyana - Rien!

Camillus (talk) 10:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


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