Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/University Hall (Bristol)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. About 60% delete, 63% counting the nominator. CanadianCaesar The Republic Restored 09:35, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] University Hall (Bristol)

Dormcruft. Built in 1972; no assertion of anything extraordinary. Melchoir 10:22, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete. Awesomely impressed with the 8 minutes between creation and the AfD nom, also. Normally I would query it, but this is never going to be notable. Proto||type 10:23, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
    • What, too slow? Melchoir 10:32, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Yes. Work faster! :) Proto||type 16:08, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as nn dom. --Terence Ong 10:50, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Question. What is it that this article lacks that other Halls at Bristol have? It really does not make a lot of sense to look at articles on Halls at X in isolation. Some of the other articles are better than this one, I agree. I think this should have been given more time. 8 minutes is far far too short. Also note that this Hall is linked on the Bristol University article with a link that differs from this title. --Bduke 11:21, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
    • The question is not "what does the article lack" but "what does the Hall lack". And that's notability. As for the other Halls, Hiatt Baker has already been redirected, and rightly so. And if/when this article is deleted, I'll be nominating Badock Hall next. Melchoir 21:30, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
    • For that matter, Chantry Court and Woodland Court should expect a similar fate. Melchoir 21:33, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, a dorm would have to be exceptional to warrant its own article, as their nature is to be non-notable. They are like post offices, houses and apartment buildings, if they simply perform their function, they are not notable. -- Kjkolb 12:42, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Agreed. Unlike Oxbridge Colleges, these have not historic or unique identity, and as such are nn. Batmanand | Talk 12:44, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete per Batmanand. This is about as nn/student cruft as you can get. --kingboyk 13:28, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge into University of Bristol Obli (Talk)? 14:06, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Non-notable University dorm. The article is descriptive rather than mentioning notable elements of the subject, should there be any to mention.  (aeropagitica)  18:46, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, but improve. Several points.
    • Halls of residence of often more than "Dorms" with a function of just offering accommodation. They often offer tutorial support, provide rooms for senior members, a link between students and those senior staff members, and they play an important role in the social and sporting life of a university.
    • To Melcoir. Yes, Badock Hall is the next worst, but what about the two older halls where the article includes some history and architectual details. Are the older ones notable?
    • Merging to University article. There is already a brief table. More details would unbalance the university article. If you want a merge, I suggest merging all Hall articles to Bristol University Halls of Residence similar to what was done recently at University of Exeter Halls of Residence.
    • The question of Halls of Residence, particularly in the British and Commonwealth countries, as opposed to the USA, needs to be thought through carefully and not done piece meal. I have suggested to Wikipedia:WikiProject Universities that they consider all the issues, but they do not seem to be active.
    • Students going to university want good NPOV information on Halls of Residence, not just the advertising POV material from the university itself. Of course that means we have to write good articles, but it does not mean we have to delete them just minutes after someone starts the article. --Bduke 21:51, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Wills Hall is borderline in my mind; Clifton Hill House is notable for its history. Obviously there is a continuum of notability for residence halls, just like any other category. This Hall is at the bottom.
  • Merging to one article is an excellent idea.
  • Wikipedia is not a consumer guide. And you know what, often an article needs to be nominated as quickly as possible. Otherwise we waste the time of everyone who edits it without suspecting the inevitability of its fate. Melchoir 22:24, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Where does it say "Wikipedia is not a consumer guide"? However, I also do not think that is what I was suggesting. I was not suggesting anything about value for money. I was suggesting that information is usefull and that is why people turn to encyclopedias. --Bduke 22:38, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
My problem with that argument is that all information is useful to somebody. It doesn't say "Wikipedia is not a consumer guide" anywhere, but I think it's a reasonable reflection of our values. We don't have an article on every nursing home for the sole purpose of helping people decide where to put their parents. We also don't have an article on every university residence for the sole purpose of helping people decide where to put their kids. Melchoir 22:57, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Redirect - article reads like a prospective students brochure. Oxbridge colleges are academic institutions in their own right forming a kind of federation, whereas University Hall is a creature of the University of Bristol. Plus Oxbridge colleges are separately represented on the University Challenge television programme but never seen a hall of residence submit a team. Green Giant 02:45, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete: per WP:BAI -- Samir ∙ TC 10:45, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per arguments above. This is a good article and helps round out our coverage of student residences. -- JJay 13:12, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as Samir says. Dormcruft is specifically mentioned in Wikipedia:List of bad article ideas for a reason. Friday (talk) 18:55, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per JJay, failing that merge into a list of halls. Kappa 12:18, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Dormcruft. There is a VfD precedent to delete dorms, per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jester Dormitory, though I can't see myself the exact content that was deleted there. The one keep vote there isn't factually correct. In addition, if a dorm was notable, Jester Dormitory certainly would be, as it is enormous. At the very least, merge this one into Bristol University; when the deletion precedent I just mentioned was recreated some time later, someone simply redirected it to the main university page to save the hassle of another AfD. — Rebelguys2 talk 16:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment and question. Coming from the UK and Australia, I dislike the term "Dorm", rather than "Hall of Residence" or "College", but I do not understand the US system. So I have a few questions - Do US dorms provide anything other than housing for students? Are Faculty (to use the US term) associated with a dorm? Do dorms compete against each other in sport? Is there any academic support (e.g.tutoring)? If the answer to these questions (or even most of them) is "no", then dorms are not like Halls of Residence and the comparision is not valid. --Bduke 21:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.