Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Universal greeting
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Merge to The Transformers: The Movie. —Quarl (talk) 2007-03-07 11:03Z
An article about a single throwaway line from a movie. Delete --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 06:02, 1 March 2007
- Delete Unless it can be proven, referenced and demonstrated any effect this has had on popular culture. --Ozgod 06:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Warcraft III is not a reliable source -- though this does explain a mystery.... --N Shar (talk • contribs) 06:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Keep The nominator is incorrect in three respects:
- It is not a "single... line" but used several times in the movie (The Transformers: The Movie).
- It is not a "throwaway line" but is a movie joke that comes back to the main characters.
- It is also not a "throwaway line" because it has had huge impact on the Transformers community, on a par with a major (though not leading) character, e.g. like Jetfire. Robinson weijman 07:41, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Even if Robinson weijman is correct with his comments, I still don't think it's a notable subject worty of it's own article. Jules1975 09:52, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Same can be send of many Transformer related articles, and many other science-fiction articles and for that matter fictional items in general... I really don't know where the line is drawn in Wikipedia, but for consistency I think this should be kept. Please also note that, based on the above comment, the reason for deletion appears to be changing. Robinson weijman 10:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- No, it cannot. The line is drawn at prohibiting original research. Many science fiction topics have already been written about outside of Wikipedia in books, articles, and papers about science fiction. To make a case for having an article on this aspect of a fictional universe, you must provide sources that demonstrate that writing about it is not original *research. Where are the books, papers, journal articles, or other published works outside of Wikipedia that have analysed this greeting, its spellings (in the games and by fans) and its occurrences? Analyses of the greeting performed directly by Wikipedia editors and published first in Wikipedia are original research, which is forbidden here. Sources! Sources! Sources! Uncle G 12:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- I've added two sources. Robinson weijman 13:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- No, it cannot. The line is drawn at prohibiting original research. Many science fiction topics have already been written about outside of Wikipedia in books, articles, and papers about science fiction. To make a case for having an article on this aspect of a fictional universe, you must provide sources that demonstrate that writing about it is not original *research. Where are the books, papers, journal articles, or other published works outside of Wikipedia that have analysed this greeting, its spellings (in the games and by fans) and its occurrences? Analyses of the greeting performed directly by Wikipedia editors and published first in Wikipedia are original research, which is forbidden here. Sources! Sources! Sources! Uncle G 12:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Same can be send of many Transformer related articles, and many other science-fiction articles and for that matter fictional items in general... I really don't know where the line is drawn in Wikipedia, but for consistency I think this should be kept. Please also note that, based on the above comment, the reason for deletion appears to be changing. Robinson weijman 10:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete, non-notable and unsourced. Perhaps Merge a cut down version into an existing Transformers article. --RazorICEtalkC@ 11:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Redirect to either The Transformers: The Movie page or possibly greeting habits. FrozenPurpleCube 19:21, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Redirect to The Transformers: The Movie, as I don't think this gag's groundbreaking influence is going to be sourced. SubSeven 00:27, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- Please recheck article and comment above... I have added sources. Robinson weijman 08:05, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- The IMDb link confirms that the quote exists but not that it is siginifcant in any way. The everything2 link also does no such thing, not that it could be considered a reliable source anyway. It's a wide open system just like Wikipedia, except with even fewer checks and balances.. SubSeven 08:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- Please recheck article and comment above... I have added sources. Robinson weijman 08:05, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete or Merge. Ezratrumpet 04:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - it is not worth the merge, and the redirect would be misleading. --Bejnar 04:47, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
- 'KEEP or MERGE. it doesnt warrant deletion, but i can see merging it with the article for the movie itself and creating a redirect, but if people ARE looking it up, it obviously should be left in some sense--Unicron0827 23:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
