Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United Noachide Council, Inc.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sr13 03:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] United Noachide Council, Inc.

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Queried speedy delete. See User_talk:Ibn_nuh#Your edit to United Noachide Council, Inc. Anthony Appleyard 14:48, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

• Redirect to High Council of B'nei Noah - Find sources: United Noachide Council — news, books, scholar produces no results. Also a google search: "United Noachide Council" produces only 16 results in total. Addhoc 15:05, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep but rewrite This page has been restored after being deleted twice. Please take the time to read this: This text is copied from wikinoah which is licensed under GFDL http://en.wikinoah.org/index.php/UNC has the original text http://en.wikinoah.org/index.php/English_Wikinoah:Copyrights licenses it under GFDL I said this in the original talk page, and again on the top line of the page when it was posted a second time. Someone doubted these facts, so in addition I have asked the author to confirm this. Hopefully he will do so in the coming days. The text is not great and needs a lot of work, but its not a copyright violation. As far as notability goes, I am open to deletion on that account. It is of the same notability as High Council of B'nei Noah. I'm dropping the subject as of now. --Ibn nuh 15:09, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. The text on that wiki appears to be copied from another page with no GFDL notice and therefore itself a copyvio. Also, the article incorporates text copied from sources other than the wiki, which were noted in the copyvio tag. --Butseriouslyfolks 18:05, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment. Please explain yourself. The above two links above CLEARLY have GFDL. Lets get beyond that. Ideally this article should be reduced to about 20 lines explaining the date of founding, purpose and scope of the organization, with links to its projects. As far as google notability, the High Council of B'nei Noah only shows up 31 times. I would suggest conceptual notability, in that this is the second council for Bnei Noah, and now that that the High Council has ceased to function, it is currently the only functioning council for this religious group. --Ibn nuh 07:39, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
• Note: "Ibn Nuh" seems to be Arabic for "Son of Noah". Anthony Appleyard 15:20, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
• Merge with High Council of B'nei Noah: What is the basis for deleting this? It was featured in ther Israeli National News and is an important landmark in the modern international Noahide movement. Keep definitely!Kaz 15:52, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Just to clarify, your saying the United Noachide Council was featured in the news, not the High Council of B'nei Noah? Addhoc 17:00, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it is the only remaining form of the High Council of B'nei Noah and so it should be merged with that article explaining in particular how it came to survive the disintegration of the High Council of B'nei Noah. Kaz 02:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining. Addhoc 13:32, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:N and WP:V. Even author concedes article may be deleted on notability grounds. --Butseriouslyfolks 17:41, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Notability is vague (though these people do exist and have an unusual religious bent). The article is not written from a NPOV, i.e. doesn't explain from an external perspective why this group is significant. YechielMan 21:24, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete notability is less than vague, verging on non-existent. Fails the standard set out at WP:ORG and the WP:V concerns raised above are also germane. Eusebeus 13:43, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Although it may not have violated copyright, this is spam in my view, as the article was written with the aim of publicising the organisation on its own website. Furthermore, I believe this may be part of a walled garden being planted by Billy Jack Dial to further his personal aims, and the organisational goals of an entity whose notability does not appear to be all that solid: 16 unique Ghits. Ohconfucius 02:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per Ohconfucius. Note that I have also listed Billy Jack Dial for deletion. --Spike Wilbury 02:38, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per Ohconfucius. -- Y not? 23:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletions. -- Y not? 23:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
• Info: Page United Noachide Council, Inc. is now merely a stub and 8 external links. Anthony Appleyard 09:17, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
• Info: Attempted to rewrite page more like encyclopedia entry. (The only purpose in submitting this article was to update the information in High Council of B'nei Noah. But it didn't seem right to place it in that wikipage because the High Council has ceased to function.) I don't want to put much effort in this if it is going to be deleted, however. --Ibn nuh 10:21, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete because at this time it violates WP:NOT#LINK; WP:NOT#WEBSPACE; WP:NOT#DIRECTORY, and is also WP:NN. IZAK 05:33, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, ok, ok. Then delete the page already. All I can say is that I was trying to create an encyclopedia page that would help anyone interested in the subject of Noahidism. Given the strict opposition this page has seen, It is based on the same idea as the High Council of B'nei Noah page, and I fail to see how it is any different. Enough of this for me. --Ibn nuh 07:05, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

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