Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Undergraduate scholarships at Duke University
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Sr13 is almost Singularity 08:11, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Undergraduate scholarships at Duke University
A listing of certain scholarships at Duke University? I do not feel this is sufficiently notable a subject on its own, and I think it lacks significant independent coverage. If Duke University wants to describe their scholarships on their own page, that'd be their business, but is it encyclopedic for Wikipedia? FrozenPurpleCube 22:43, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Not at all material for an encyclopedia. - Cyborg Ninja 23:48, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
- Delete this is why universities have web sites, which cover the matter fully. Neither scholarships at an individual college nor lists of them are notable. DGG (talk) DGG (talk) 00:09, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
- Delete as unencyclopedic. This material may be notable enough for mention on the Duke University article, but not as a separate article. --Moonriddengirl 13:17, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - a collection of deeply non-notable material is not notable. --Haemo 21:41, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per lack of notability for undergrad schollies @ Duke Corpx 03:52, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
- Merge - this is useful information and should not be deleted, but probably not notable. — xDanielxTalk 00:08, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
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- Merge where? Duke University or somewhere else? And while certainly people may have a use for it, would not those people who have a use for it be better off looking at I don't know, some Duke University webpage that covers the available scholarships? FrozenPurpleCube 02:15, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, I meant merge to Duke University. Where else? The information is available on the university web site, as is almost all the information in the Wikipedia article. It's not uncommon for valuable information to exist in two different places on the web, and it makes sense considering that many prospective students prefer to browse a Wikipedia summary rather than digging through university web pages. If you think the Duke University article is too long (keeping in mind that Wikipedia isn't written on paper), then perhaps a Keep would be more appropriate. I would be fine with either. — xDanielxTalk 05:07, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
- I have no objection to things existing in more than one place, however, I am unconvinced of the value of listing scholarships that are not themselves individually notable on the main University page. I am not even convinced of whether or not it would be appropriate to even cover the issue at all, though that is mostly because that would add yet another detail to these articles. However, that is a problem that applies to every single university so it doesn't necessarily merit addressing here. Sorry, but since universities tend to have a plethora of scholarships, if students want to find out about them, I feel they should check with the school's scholarship office instead. FrozenPurpleCube 23:26, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
- I understand your reasoning for the most part, but Wikipedia is a useful tool for researching academic institutions and I think this information would be helpful if readily available in a summarized form. I would support letting this information have its own article if I could figure out a way to make such a proposal without a clear WP:N violation. But I think it is fully permissible as per content guidelines. I don't think this material violates any content guideline. Of course that doesn't automatically mean that it should be included (e.g. "Bush is the president" shouldn't be in a Chuck Norris article), but I think the information is useful and meaningfully connected to the Duke University article. — xDanielxTalk 04:22, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- I can't imagine using Wikipedia to look for scholarships. If you do wish to cover this subject, then given that it is not unique to Duke University, but rather one applicable to pretty much all universities and colleges everywhere (with any exceptions not being relevant), I suggest you seek to start with a broad coverage. Perhaps you might want to work on Scholarship and Student financial aid instead, or in the Category:Financial aid. To be honest, I'd say even state or national scholarships like HOPE Scholarship and Pell Grant need work. Focusing on individual schools scholarship programs is I think the wrong way to go about it until there's a stronger basis to build from. But if you do want to do that, perhaps you might see if there's some interest in developing a guideline at WP:UNIVERSITY instead. I think that would help everybody more. FrozenPurpleCube 05:52, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing to those articles-in-progress; I'll check them out when I get a chance. I also don't expect anyone to use Wikipedia specifically for the purpose of scholarship search, but I think it's common for prospective students to look up pages like Duke University when considering applying (well... I did). As someone who recently went through the college search process, I thought college reviews which provided a brief summary of available scholarships were particularly helpful, as that was a major consideration for me and others I know. Even just a quick note such as "X college has Y merit scholarships averaging Z dollars. No athletic scholarships are available. Details can be found on X's website [# here]." would be helpful, in my opinion. The information is usually on the school's website (often very limited, though in tis case more extensive), but I think including a summary would be a nice quick reference for those who don't want to dig. — xDanielxTalk 06:26, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- I can't imagine using Wikipedia to look for scholarships. If you do wish to cover this subject, then given that it is not unique to Duke University, but rather one applicable to pretty much all universities and colleges everywhere (with any exceptions not being relevant), I suggest you seek to start with a broad coverage. Perhaps you might want to work on Scholarship and Student financial aid instead, or in the Category:Financial aid. To be honest, I'd say even state or national scholarships like HOPE Scholarship and Pell Grant need work. Focusing on individual schools scholarship programs is I think the wrong way to go about it until there's a stronger basis to build from. But if you do want to do that, perhaps you might see if there's some interest in developing a guideline at WP:UNIVERSITY instead. I think that would help everybody more. FrozenPurpleCube 05:52, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- I understand your reasoning for the most part, but Wikipedia is a useful tool for researching academic institutions and I think this information would be helpful if readily available in a summarized form. I would support letting this information have its own article if I could figure out a way to make such a proposal without a clear WP:N violation. But I think it is fully permissible as per content guidelines. I don't think this material violates any content guideline. Of course that doesn't automatically mean that it should be included (e.g. "Bush is the president" shouldn't be in a Chuck Norris article), but I think the information is useful and meaningfully connected to the Duke University article. — xDanielxTalk 04:22, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- I have no objection to things existing in more than one place, however, I am unconvinced of the value of listing scholarships that are not themselves individually notable on the main University page. I am not even convinced of whether or not it would be appropriate to even cover the issue at all, though that is mostly because that would add yet another detail to these articles. However, that is a problem that applies to every single university so it doesn't necessarily merit addressing here. Sorry, but since universities tend to have a plethora of scholarships, if students want to find out about them, I feel they should check with the school's scholarship office instead. FrozenPurpleCube 23:26, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, I meant merge to Duke University. Where else? The information is available on the university web site, as is almost all the information in the Wikipedia article. It's not uncommon for valuable information to exist in two different places on the web, and it makes sense considering that many prospective students prefer to browse a Wikipedia summary rather than digging through university web pages. If you think the Duke University article is too long (keeping in mind that Wikipedia isn't written on paper), then perhaps a Keep would be more appropriate. I would be fine with either. — xDanielxTalk 05:07, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
- Merge where? Duke University or somewhere else? And while certainly people may have a use for it, would not those people who have a use for it be better off looking at I don't know, some Duke University webpage that covers the available scholarships? FrozenPurpleCube 02:15, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Also, too much information. Bearian 18:41, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
- Weak keep, I can see the point xDanielx made and also I think this article could perhaps exist better exist with a slightly different focus instead on the coverage of donations made to create scholarships. Half a second on google suggests such information exists in papers etc... Mathmo Talk 03:52, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
