Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ulster Young Unionist Council

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. —Quarl (talk) 2007-02-11 12:10Z

[edit] Ulster Young Unionist Council

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Non-notable organization, fails WP:ORG: no multiple, non-trivial coverage. Most hits in Google are WP and mirrors. Leuko 20:59, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom Semperf 21:03, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep under crierion: Non-commercial organizations

Organizations are usually notable if the scope of activities are national or international in scale and information can be verified by a third party source. Cain webservice BBC Profile Northern Ireland Assembly profile academic resource profile Giving evidence at a National legislature national legislature mention

This organisation is the youth wing of one of the largest political parties in Northern Ireland and features regularly on political profiles - the article needs expanding not deletingWeggie 21:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Comment: Thank you for the links, but only one of them is actually about the organization, and even then its only a directory listing. The rest are profiles of/statements by former members, etc. Unfortunately, I still don't feel it satisfies "multiple, non-trivial" media coverage of the organization specifically. Leuko 21:33, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Comment: The BBC is an authoritative media source : Specific coverage = [1] Weggie 21:44, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Comment: Well, that's one... We still don't have "multiple, non-trivial." Sorry to be such a stickler, but we need to be more uniform in our application of relevant policies and guidelines. Leuko 21:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Comment - if such you are a stickler regard the guideline: Organizations are usually notable if the scope of activities are national or international in scale and information can be verified by a third party source. This meets the criterion 100%; I have to go now for 14 hrs unfortunately Weggie 22:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Comment: Your third party source is a paragraph on the results of the vote. It does not verify that the organization's activities are national in scale at all... Leuko 22:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Comment votes are what make political organization notable, right?DGG 07:03, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to Ulster Unionist Party. Weak assertion of notability in its own right, but part of a notable organization. —Dgiest c 06:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - My mistake - they changed their name to Young Unionists which is whay you need to search on for details fo this organisation for example : [2]Weggie 07:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep This org has been extremly infulencal during its 50 years, with links for pages on Bill Craig and I think Austin Currie.Traditional unionist 13:25, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Definite Keep The Young Unionist Council has played a major role in Northern Ireland politics and history, both present day and throughout the course of the Troubles. This can be verified by the numerous references to them in historical sources such as Jonathan Bardon's "History of Ulster". Their role has been distinct to that of the Ulster Unionist Party, as on numerous occasions their policies and outlook have differed from that of the UUP. In the early days of the Troubles Young Unionists were to the forefront in bringing down the "Sunningdale Agreement", against the policy of the UUP. Similarly, after the Good Friday Agreement of 1998 Young Unionists played a highly prominent role, again acting against the UUP. They certainly deserve an article in their own right as their influence on Northern Ireland has been both significant and distinct. --Pondersomething 14:13, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
    • That's pretty good justification for keeping. Can you find some references to this to add to the article? —Dgiest c 16:20, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Merge with Ulster Unionist Party Seems like a good idea. The organisation has little real political influence in it's own right, but it would be appropriate to make reference to it on the main party page. Quarkstorm 13:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Comment: Little real political infulence? Is that why it caused the downfall of Jim Molyneaux? Is that why its Chairman was at the St Andrews talks last year?Traditional unionist 13:26, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
This depends on whether you consider the current organisation to be the same organisation as the one that was present at the time of Molyneaux. Personally I believe that the organisation which wound itself up 2-3 years ago was a seperate entity to the present organisation. As for Michael Shilliday's attendance at the St. Andrews talks what did he do apart from post a few blog comments, for that matter what did the UUP do at St. Andrews full stop, weren't they just invited out of politness??? Quarkstorm 13:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Flattered as I'm sure Michael Shilliday would be at your mistake, it was Mark Dunn who attended. It may have been legally a separate orginisation, but for all practical and political measures they are the same. SDLP Youth have a page, which is less worthy of an entry, but should still be kept as they are both major component parts of major political parties.Traditional unionist 13:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
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