Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ulla Taalasmaa

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. See rationale and suggestions at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seppo Taalasmaa. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:11, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ulla Taalasmaa

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Article about a fictional character of a soap opera. It has no real world information. It fails guidelines for WP:SOAPS. My prod was reverted as " minor edit" without any explanation. Magioladitis (talk) 16:10, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions. —Magioladitis (talk) 21:48, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
• NOTE - The nom is attempting to delete every character article of the popular Finnish TV show Salatut elämät.--Oakshade (talk) 03:31, 5 May 2008 (UTC)--Oakshade (talk) 03:33, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Consensus has long since decided fictional character articles, including in soap operas, can be included. Major character in long running national soap opera. WikiProject Soap Operas (WP:SOAPS) is not a notability guideline, but a project improvement page and in no manner mandates article deletions. If you feel the article should be improved, a wiki-improvement tag is more appropriate, not article deletion.--Oakshade (talk) 03:33, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Finland-related deletion discussions.
• Comment The list of characters can be converted to something like the List of Family Affairs characters. Separate articles cannot be supported without any real world information. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete unless multiple reliable secondary sources can be found to demonstrate notability and to make the article verifiable. Article also lacks out-of-universe information needed to satisfy WP:PLOT. Jakew (talk) 19:59, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

• keep or Merge or redirect, depending on the importance of the character, but since a character might be a search term, the one thing that should not be done is delete. Spin out for major characters is still acceptable-- WP:SOAPS is only a project. I would like to see evidence first that soeone with access to Finnish language sources has at least looked for them. DGG (talk) 00:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per my previous comment. Eusebeus (talk) 13:35, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

actually, each afd debate here stands on its own. DGG (talk) 16:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

• Keep, the nominator does not give a valid reason for deletion. The sentence "She was played by Maija-Liisa Peuhu and appeared as a regular character in the series from 1999–2007." actually is real world information. I don't see how this article "fails" SOAPS. And I have to question why the nominator decided to put prod tags on every character article related to Salatut elämät saying "Fails notability per WP:FICTION" when WP:FICTION is simply a proposal. --Pixelface (talk) 15:22, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment It is like opposing an episode article to be merged because it states that this is the fifth episode of the series, so it contains real world information. I think I should write contains no real world information but trivial which it is already found in the list of characters article. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Finnish TV show so sources exist mostly in foreign language, like this The TV series is popular so Wikipedia needs to cover the characters also. Merge to a list of characters may be considered later, but that requires a keep anyway. --PeaceNT (talk) 15:18, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fabrictramp (talk) 23:23, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

• Comment I agree with that: The soap is notable. I didn't Afd the soap! That the soap is notable doesn't imply that each individual character is notable! It's exactly like episodes and TV series. A soap it's much more that its characters. This is another reason I didn't make a group Afd.-- Magioladitis (talk) 00:14, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.