Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ukrainian Revolution of 1918

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. POV fork, again. So title was also protected. - Nabla (talk) 02:40, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ukrainian Revolution of 1918

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NPOV title: Ukrainian Revolution is applied to events in Ukraine relating to the October Revolution of 1917, but there was no "Revolution of 1918". Historians consider Nestor Makhno and the Ukrainian anarchists to be but one of many players in the Civil War.

This content fork of Makhnovism has been successfully proposed for deletion before, and I expect it to be deleted again without significant debate. But agreeing on a formal AfD now will allow subsequent reintroductions of this title to be speedy deleted.  —Michael Z. 2008-04-29 21:20 Z

Clarification: The content of the article is not in jeopardy, because it will remain in the article Makhnovism. (This copy of that article was created by a new editor in an attempt to rename that article against consensus.) —Michael Z. 2008-04-30 19:12 Z

• Delete [requestor]. —Michael Z. 2008-04-29 21:33 Z
• Delete It's a copy of Makhnovism filled with POV. --Udonknome (talk) 22:51, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Ukraine is not Russia. Ukraine had it's own situation going on. Though the article may need work, there is more than enough to explore in this topic. Vert et Noir^talk 23:08, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
• Merge and Keep I disagree with the current title, however it is true that there is to little weight given to this event, Makhno had more popular support than all of the other Ukrainian governments put together. --Kuban Cossack 13:48, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - if it essentially duplicates the content then there is no point for the double.--Riurik^(discuss) 17:19, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
• Merge to Makhnovism. POV forking is not an approved method of resolving content disputes. Stifle (talk) 20:06, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete content fork. Ostap 22:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --Hillock65 (talk) 23:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
• delete, nothing to merge. Do not redirect to makhnovism but to DAB and protect the redirect. Or delete the redirect and protect from recreation. Abused for too long. --Irpen 18:59, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. Yes, this article could be merged with Makhnovism. But AfD is not the way to discuss merging per WP rules. Let's mark both articles for merging and discuss.Biophys (talk) 01:28, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
  • What do you want to "merge"? The article is a copy/paste fork. --Irpen 02:05, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
    • No, this is not an exact copy. Please compare.Biophys (talk) 03:45, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
      • As I said, the only changes are injections of POV. Do you know me??...then SHUT UP!!! Sarcasm is beauty 06:43, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
        • I would rather suggest to delete Makhnovism ("Makhnovism refers to various related political and economic theories" sounds ridiculous) but keep this article. But once again, AfD is not the way to discuss merging.Biophys (talk) 02:02, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
          • Forking an article is not the way to rename it (unless you're a newb who wants to fight consensus). Please, merge whatever you like from this near-identical copy to the original article. And please propose a better name for that one. Or if you like, you can argue about it here and get nowhere. —Michael Z. 2008-05-05 23:52 z

• Delete per nomination as a content fork of "Makhnovism" (compare the differences between the two entries) and then keep any ensuing redirect fully protected or simply prevent re-creation. - Ev (talk) 08:08, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination, POV forks are evil Alex Bakharev (talk) 00:26, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

I'd like to emphasize that this is not a proposal to remove any encyclopedic material, only this duplicate of the article Makhnovism. A serious vote to keep should explain what text is expected to remain under this title. —Michael Z. 2008-04-30 14:43 Z

[edit] Merge the text, delete this title

It looks like there's some support for merging the this version into Makhnovism. Anyone is welcome to do so immediately, since that article is not under discussion here, and I'm sure your efforts will improve it.

Most of the "keep" votes seem to have no problem with deleting this title. So let's do that, because the title seems to be indefensible, lacking references from academic histories (as opposed to political works). —Michael Z. 2008-05-03 07:46 z

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ukraine-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 23:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 23:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.