Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UMSL Student Government Association
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep per addition of sources and other material. Bearian (talk) 20:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] UMSL Student Government Association
Subject does not appear to meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for non-commercial organizations. Their activity seems to be local in scope, and given that no third-party sources have been provided, it seems that this topic might better be covered in the USML main article. Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 17:04, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
i just added new references that are third party. Please consider these before deleation. also many student governments have their own pages i dont understand why UMSL cannot have one also. thanks!134.124.35.72 (talk) 17:10, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
should i add more references? I was looking at the MSA page, Mizzou's student government, and they have many of the same things that i added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whsbrain (talk • contribs) 17:18, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
- Delete: non-notable organization whose only importance is to a single university. Mh29255 (talk) 17:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
But UMSL's SGA is not only important to UMSL it is also important to the System. SGA Officers attend the Board of Curator meetings. Without them there would be no student input to the board. Also what about them? Missouri Students Association Whsbrain (talk) 17:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
- Delete as nom. Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 18:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
- Keep there are many of these articles (see Category:Student governments in the United States, and article is far to large to be merge in it's entirety to the UMSL page.Grey Wanderer | Talk 00:13, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- Keep - Elected Gov't is notable, even Student Gov't. And in saying that "only importance is to a single university" ... your assuming that there is a Local Clause in WP:N, but no, there is not. If it is notable to a sizable University and Alumni, then it has achieved Notability. Exit2DOS2000•T•C• 05:15, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:ORG. The article's sources do include one truly independent source but it only mentions the SGA incidentally. (The SGA's own web site and the student newspaper on its campus should not be considered independent for purposes of establishing the SGA's notability, regardless of what the relationship, if any, may be between the SGA and the newspaper.) There are actually relatively few student governments listed in Category:Student governments in the United States and some others have failed their AfD discussions. Furthermore, it is unclear how a student government would be notable to the alumni since it would not govern or finance their activities. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 07:49, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- Your correct, S.Gov't would not govern or finance the Alumni's activities. But you have it backwards, the Alumni would govern and/or finance the S.Gov't. Like any other Gov't, it relies upon and enforces the rules as drawn up by generations before them. And I do not see how the size/contents of Category:Student governments in the United States, nor other AFD's outcomes has any impact upon any other AFD? 'cause that would be WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS but in reverse. Exit2DOS2000•T•C• 09:27, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- Keep - UMSL's Student Government does a lot in the community around UMSL and St. Louis and for the state of missouri by lobbying the state government on behalf of public universites. In fact sometime in Feburary they will be going to the capital with the other student governments in the state. SGA does a lot of events with the Alumni Assoication. SGA attends their meetings and works closely with their representative on campus. Also there are many student government (some with less citations than this) pages and if this one is deleted because it is a student government associated with a university then all of them would have to be. Yes more notable souces are needed so if that is the only objection then shouldnt we be working to find more? The Post-Dispatch did a story about umsl's student government,although you have to pay to see the story, the largest newspaper in the state thinks UMSL's SGA is a creditable orginazation why doesnt wikipedia? Whsbrain (talk) 19:26, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- Comment. You say, "Also there are many student government (some with less citations than this) pages and if this one is deleted because it is a student government associated with a university then all of them would have to be." Please note that to some editors, myself included, that would not sound like an undesirable result. Rather, it sounds like a mom telling a kid, "If you want cake for dessert, you have to eat ice cream with it too." Also, in regard to the above comment by Exit2DOS2000, I am surprised to hear that the alumni finance the student government; at most universities, the student government is financed mostly through fees paid by current students. I couldn't find proof on the UMSL SGA's website either way, though. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
- Apolagies if I gave the impression, I was not implying this was the case, in this case. I can only speak from my experiences in my country. Exit2DOS2000•T•C• 05:51, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
- Comment. You say, "Also there are many student government (some with less citations than this) pages and if this one is deleted because it is a student government associated with a university then all of them would have to be." Please note that to some editors, myself included, that would not sound like an undesirable result. Rather, it sounds like a mom telling a kid, "If you want cake for dessert, you have to eat ice cream with it too." Also, in regard to the above comment by Exit2DOS2000, I am surprised to hear that the alumni finance the student government; at most universities, the student government is financed mostly through fees paid by current students. I couldn't find proof on the UMSL SGA's website either way, though. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
- Keep The UMSL SGA has a voice on a state level. What would a student government need to achieve to satisfy your notability criteria, Ioeth? ... Alatari (talk) 15:57, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
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