Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tsundere

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep--JForget 00:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tsundere and Yandere

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Neologisms. Articles seem to be sourced from blogs. Tony Sidaway 14:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Keep tsundere, at least. Please check the dictionary before you nominate stuff as neologism. I've never heard yandere and can't find it anywhere official-looking, but at worst it should be merged as an opposing term to tsundere. --Masamage ♫ 21:45, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Keep tsundere - has become a key concept in manga and anime, especially in light novels. Obviously, needs some better sourcing; less of a definition and random list and more of a genuine article on the subject. yandere is not nearly as common and should go or be merged. Doceirias 23:27, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Keep both. Yandere's entry in the Japanese Wikipedia listed a book as a source, should be worth looking at. The term is well known enough to have an entire game devoted to it. The term Tsundere I don't even have to argue for. The articles need better sourcing, but not deletion. _dk 23:39, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletions. —Quasirandom 00:00, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per Masamage's arguments (including possibly merge yandere) —Quasirandom 00:00, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Mentioned in numerous publications, discussed by anime, etc etc. I question the nominator's expertise and understanding of the subject matter, especially as a LexisNexis search or even a Google search would've turned up stuff like the tsundere cafe in Akihabara or Tomy Co.'s tsundere television set. --Gwern (contribs) 00:38 11 October 2007 (GMT)
  • Keep per Masamage, Doceirias, _dk, and Gwern. I would lean toward merging Yandere into Tsundere unless it can be sourced enough to stand on its own, though. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:48, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep tsundere - Common Japanese term, used extensively in anime/manga circles and even in famous anime series itself (eg Haruhi, Lucky Star). Possibly merge yandere, but the term has enough merit alone to be entitled to its own separate article as well. ~ Mpontes 01:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep foreign words and terms in common use in English or which are useful even if not in common use should not be deleted as Neologisms, they may need to go to wiktionary but there is enough detail and sourcing of this article to be more than a dicdef. KTo288 01:54, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, I guess I was leaning towards delete, but there seems to be sources. There still might be a concern for original research on these articles, and because of that they probably should be pretty brief entries. We could easily merge them together or with some similar phrases from an organizational standpoint. -- Ned Scott 03:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I'd change my Delete "vote", if sourcing on this can be done. Another term, Moe (slang) is chock full of original research. KyuuA4 05:07, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Unless this becomes some kind of "new" genre, this is just a term. After all, there's WP:DICT to consider. If anything, a new article containing a list of animanga terms (if not already existing) would be more sensible. KyuuA4 05:07, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Wait, why does it have to be a genre? Tomboy is just a term, too. --Masamage ♫ 05:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
      • Well, I tried to look at it from a non-fan perspective. Yet, I just realized (that) it is a type of Character class. Mental note to Moe (slang), lolicon, catgirl, etc. Somehow, the term character class has to be involved here, because that's exactly what these are. Then, notability is an issue here. For something like, Tomboy, it is a real class describing a particular group of real girls. Of course, we're dealing with fiction here. So, I can ask, compared to - say catgirl, how "significant" is this term as a character class? KyuuA4 05:50, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
      • Change Keep. Allow time to expand upon this as a character class. KyuuA4 05:52, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
        • Keep We do happen to have Anime and manga terminology by the way, but I thought that was more to be used as a directory than a list to describe these terms in any kind of length. And as for the breathe of "significance", I believe the first few commenters in this AfD outlined some notable examples. And failing that, tsundere used to have an ongoing list of examples majoryly contributed by IP numbers. Anime/manga fans do tend to identify with the term, and readily know what it is, and not to mention that the more otaku sub-culture of anime fans hold the term with a sort of conviction. Google turns out 130,000; Yahoo 201,000.--十八 06:00, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per previous arguments. I hadn't heard of yangere before this, but tsundere is well-known; one of the recent volumes of Negima! specifically uses it to describe Chisame Hasegawa. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 12:16, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.