Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tsubasacon

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 02:20, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tsubasacon

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Convention is not notable.

• Comment: It is one of the smallest conventions in the country, even in its own genre (anime). Does not meet [notability guidelines], as this event is not national or international in scale, which is the primary criteria to be listed on Wikipedia. -Animesouth 15:39, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Delete - Does not meet [notability guidelines], as this event is not national or international in scale, which is the primary criteria to be listed on Wikipedia. -Animesouth 16:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
  • You nomination is you "vote". You don't get to "vote" twice. --Farix (Talk) 21:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Please do not edit other users' posts. If you have an issue, please contact an admin. Thank you. -Animesouth 00:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
      • Multiple "votes" are always struck through. You can only "vote" once and your nomination is your "vote". --Farix (Talk)
        • I do realize you feel strongly about this event since you are associated with it, but please note that this is not a vote. I have incorporated my comments into the original reason for AfD. -Animesouth 04:18, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
          • <snark>According to the Cabal, "AfD is not a vote" </snark> -- Simon Cursitor 08:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
• Weak keep only if the article's expanded to indicate anything about the event distinctive enough to make it notable. Iridescenti 15:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
• Weak Keep I would argue this convention is national in scale and is notable. Several hundred people appear to attend this annual event, which has occurred for at least three years running. The author also lists several voice actors (presumably who are not all from W. Virginia) that have attended the convention in some manner. Agreed that the article needs expansion. Scienter 19:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
• Speedy keep Bad faith nomination that stems from a persona vendetta against me in an argument from List of anime conventions, where the nominator's own convention had been removed from the list and later deleted through AfD do to lack of reliable sources to verify its notability. --Farix (Talk) 21:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Most of the sources are either self-referencing or listings from an anime site, not enough to satisfy WP:ORG. I would argue that several hundred people attending an annual event doesn't make it notable. That number of people attend non-notable football games every week. EliminatorJR ^Talk 23:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment How are the Newtype USA article and the two Charleston Gazette's Flipside articles "self-referencing"? BTW, there is nothing against using directory's, such as AnimeCons.com, to verify basic information in accordance with WP:ATT. It is just that thy can't be used to justify notability, which isn't needed for this article since there are plenty of other independent reliable third-party sources which establishes notability. --Farix (Talk) 23:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
    • I said "Most" of the sources, not all. However, a couple of mentions in local papers and anime-related media don't say enough notability for me, I'm afraid. Others may disagree. EliminatorJR ^Talk 23:26, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
      • Then your comment is ultimately an WP:IDONTLIKEIT as you are establishing a bar far higher then those of WP:ORG and WP:N's General Notability Criterion. --Farix (Talk) 23:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
        • Er, WP:AGF please. Remember that sources must be independent of the subject and the depth of coverage is also taken into account for notability. EliminatorJR ^Talk 00:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
          • Tsubasacon is the primary subject of all three articles, so I don't see how anyone can declare them as trivial. "Depth" is only taken into consideration when the subject is not the primary topic of an article or to determine if only one source is sufficient to establish notability. --Farix (Talk) 00:10, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as per Farix. This is a bad faith nom. The references seem fine to me, Newtype is well established in the USA. I do like the idea of finding more references for these types of articles though, but a local newspaper article is a good start. --Squilibob 00:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep its a good article. Notable, and everything. Kopf1988
• Keep ...as this is yet another bad faith nomination from the nominator. This is the first and only anime convention in West Virginia and has been running since 2004. The article is well written and referenced properly. --PatrickD 04:15, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep considering it's the first and only anime convention in the state of West Virginia which has proven itself to be popular even outside of the state for more than three years (hardly the "flash in the pan" the originator suggests). Jlee bly 18:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.