Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tsst

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep without prejudice with regards to a merge. Eluchil404 03:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Tsst (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

The guideline reads "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Here, no notability reason given. SYSS Mouse 02:02, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

  • KEEP This is an episode of a notable show shown regularly on a major television network. Pilotbob 02:14, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
So? I hate to say this, but quite a few articles of individual episodes, when viewed alone, is not notable by itself (not just South Park, but among others) Some episodes does, by controversy or by special elements used (like Make Love, not Warcraft). And remember, WP:Not a TV guide - it is not really cyclopedic to give detail to plots to individual episodes. SYSS Mouse 03:19, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Conditional Keep as long as the required secondary sources can be found. I imagine they're out there as episodes of popular televison shows are usually widely reviewed and written about. [[Guest9999 03:00, 22 October 2007 (UTC)]]
  • What? Do you want all the episodes of South Park to be deleted? Just because it is missing some sources does not mean it fails WP:N meshach 04:56, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
    • I would do that if you want, except some. SYSS Mouse 15:28, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep without prejudice to a merge WP:EPISODE strongly discourages episode AFDs and requests editors to merge instead Will (talk) 11:09, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Yep, but many episode article creators strongly oppose any effort in merging (<= general remark, not about this article or its creator). You can not delete them, because the guideline says not to, but you can't merge or redirect them, because a vocal group defends them, going against the guideline and policy (WP:NOT#PLOT)... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fram (talk • contribs)
  • Redirect to episode list, nothing worth merging, but realistic search term, so can be a useful redirect. Fram 12:01, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Since this WP:FICTION article in its current state doesn't assert its notability and is a violation of WP:NOT#PLOT, it sure is merge material (without much to actually merge other than excessive plot and trivia). However, as Fram already said, enough fans will always override policy and guideline consensus. I also guess episodes of Southpark as a hugely popular show have significant amounts of production info (audio commentaries?) as well as some third-party coverage that just hasn't been added to the article yet. So I'm uncomfortable to !vote delete or redirect an article that may have potential, and prefer to keep without prejudice to a merge until WP:EPISODE is better overseen and enforced at large. (E.g. instead stubbifying ep articles and redirecting: merge all episode plots into one season article, no matter if the plot is excessive...) – sgeureka t•c 13:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, as you can see from the articles on the newest episodes, South Park episodes get lots of independent reviews. 96T 21:34, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep along witht the other 163 episodes of South Pak that have articles written about them.--Swellman 21:39, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep as 96T mentions, there are some really good SP articles, including (I beleive) three GA episode articles. 3/160 for GAs is actually a much higher ratio than the 3000/2000000 there is for normal articles. It's going to take a while a to get all the episode articles up to snuff, but it's going to be a lot quicker than getting WP up to snuff. Let them live an be improved. - Peregrine Fisher 23:00, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, this episode is clearly notable insofar as any episode of a major TV series can be considered notable. Standard TV-review source links can, i'm sure, be found for it. Really, I cannot see a valid reason to specifically delete this article except as part of a seriously radical restructuring of all of Wikipedia's South Park content - individually deleting certain episodes while leaving others intact will seriously reduce the volume of useful information available here and hurt the structure of the whole section/category. ~ Mazca 00:30, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
  • comment I hope people remembered the Wikipedia:Pokemon test. SYSS Mouse 01:16, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.